[CQ-Contest] What is Multi to you?

Bob Kupps n6bk at yahoo.com
Wed May 10 06:44:00 EDT 2017

Hi well it probably does make a small difference in the score but the impact of "multiplier hunting" stations might be overestimated. IMO they are a great opportunity for newer contesters to ease into a big test at a big or little multi op effort without feeling lots of pressure to perform.
73 CU in the WPX HS0ZIA

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  On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 10:33, Gerry Hull<gerry at yccc.org> wrote:   If you think I'm complaining, I'm not.  You've missed my point.  I don't
give a hoot -- I enjoy the game, and finishing behind those 8-station guys
in M/S is just fine with me.

It just keeps eliminating more and more people from the game.  Exactly what
we don't want.  That's my only worry.

73, Gerry W1VE

On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 9:20 PM, Ria Jairam <rjairam at gmail.com> wrote:

> Why all this complaining I wonder? We have stations griping about how it's
> not "fair" and how people have "too many advantages."
> Guess what - life is not fair!!! In sports the bigger, stronger, faster
> one will win. In radio sport the big guns closer to advantageous areas and
> who can do SO2R will win. That's just how it is. If you're out west and
> tired of being beaten, then come pay the high taxes and enjoy the harsh
> winters out east. Or maybe pay a remote service and use one of their
> stations in Maine or New York and win a plaque. Turn key plug and play.
> Meaningless in my eyes (YOU didn't build that), but if you're so badly
> after a plaque that is one way.
> I have a single tower station with one radio and one amp. I do fairly
> well. I win the district sometimes and even squeak my way into the top 10
> sometimes. I'm happy with that, but I could improve and do better in the
> placement. But let's be honest. Someone could dump a ton of money and build
> a multi tower station complete with low band 4 squares. They'll beat me. Is
> that fair? Maybe it isn't. But I'm not going to knee cap them because I
> want to win. I just deal with it.
> Ria
> N2RJ
> On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 7:57 PM Gerry Hull <gerry at yccc.org> wrote:
>> I have no problem with Dual CQ SO2R, Yuri. These are great advances in
>> technique and show excellent operator skill and innovation.
>> Time Division Multiplexing 8 operators and radios to a "single" radio,
>> IMHO, is not the same thing and is not in the spirit of the rules.  It is
>> simply a technology technique which is within the letter of the rules, but
>> not the spirit.
>> Yes, I have to accept it if the rules may not change.  I DO accept it...
>> However, I don't think it is a good way to encourage new M/S teams to
>> participate.
>> We all have our opinions, these are mine.
>> 73, Gerry W1VE
>> On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 6:14 PM, Yuri <ve3dz at rigexpert.net> wrote:
>> > Gerry,
>> > Isn't  SO2R Dual CQ operation (a-la CT1BOH, N6MJ etc.) is the same type
>> of
>> > <quote> "elimination of a lot of people from ever being in contention
>> for
>> > top spots in the category" <unquote>?
>> > All that you said below is true for ANY category.
>> >
>> > I think it's all about the rules.
>> > If they aren't broken and they allow to do such, then... one either
>> needs
>> > to change the rules or has to accept the fact.  Maybe it's time to
>> research
>> > some other ways to attract (more) new competitors, like doing more
>> > WRTC-style (live) competitions during June FDays, working more closely
>> with
>> > schools, colleges and other youth organizations and so on...
>> >
>> > Best regards,
>> > Yuri VE3DZ
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf
>> Of
>> > Gerry Hull
>> > Sent: Tuesday, May 9, 2017 10:28 AM
>> > Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] What is Multi to you?
>> >
>> > Interesting Thread.
>> >
>> > I've been contesting over 40 years.  In all that time, 99% of my efforts
>> > have been at M/S or M/2 stations.
>> > For more than 30 of those years, a multi-single was a station with one
>> > main radio and one multiplier radio.
>> >
>> > With a single tower and a good antenna complement, winning M/S in North
>> > America has been possible with two radios.  We did it at more than one
>> > station.
>> >
>> > If you read my comments on CQ Contest, you know that I don't live in the
>> > past -- I love technology, and advancing the state of the art is where
>> I'm
>> > at.
>> >
>> > However, in this case, I think the case of N radios in a M/S is a
>> > bastardization of M/S.  Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.
>> > I applaud the Huge M/S multi-radio efforts by K1LZ and others -- very
>> cool
>> > technology -- but all that does is eliminate a lot of people from ever
>> > being in contention for top spots in the category.  If you look at the
>> size
>> > of the scores in these 5-to-10 radio Multi-singles, they are completely
>> out
>> > of line with "traditional" multi-singles.
>> >
>> > In CQWW, there used to be a category for "experimental" operations ...
>> > I'm sure those guys building those huge M/S operations would not accept
>> > being put in to such a category...  However, how do we encourage new
>> > stations, and long-time "traditional" M/S stations to compete in the
>> > category?
>> >  Since there are not a HUGE number of these Many-TX-interlocked M/S, and
>> > they love to one-up each other -- why not let them compete in a
>> category of
>> > their own?
>> >
>> > There's lots of technology/technique happening in the M/S space without
>> > going to such extremes.
>> >
>> > 73,
>> >
>> > Gerry W1VE
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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