[CQ-Contest] Be careful what you wish for

Tue Nov 7 08:49:45 EST 2017

What is making Sunday not fun?
Slow Rates? Sounds like the majority of the complaints.

These crybabies obviously have never done a VHF/UHF contest.

Where you're happy to get 1 Q a hour the second day!

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On 11/6/2017 10:12 PM, W0MU Mike Fatchett wrote:
> Sunday has been bad for years.  Why is this year more special or more 
> bad (sk) than other years?
>
> Maybe people can only handle it for so many years before it is no 
> longer fun.
>
> We are no different than regular people and there are many many things 
> to keep us entertained or busy other than radio.  When things are no 
> longer fun, people stop participating.
>
> How do you make SS fun on Sunday?
>
> W0MU
>
>
> On 11/6/2017 12:16 PM, Jeff Clarke wrote:
>> That's nice Kelly but in the end most people just want to have fun 
>> and right now Sweepstakes isn't on Sunday. That shows with the lack 
>> of activity on Sunday. I can't think of another all-band contest 
>> other than Sweepstakes where you can only work a station once?
>>
>> BTW we don't run out of CA stations to work after sunset. I first 
>> went to 20 meters on Saturday at 2145z. Stayed there until about 
>> 2210z when I went to 40 meters. I went back to 20 meters at 2339z. 
>> Stayed there until 0215z (The band was open all over the country , 
>> including CA, from here in GA.) and then back to 40 meters. That's 
>> why my 80 meter QSO count was lower than it normally is. I tried 80 
>> later on Saturday night but there wasn't much activity because 
>> everyone was on 40 meters. My guess is that most of the people who 
>> have higher numbers on 80 meters were SO2R and were interleaving 
>> QSO's between 80 and 40 meters.
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/6/2017 1:29 PM, ve4xt at mymts.net wrote:
>>> The main benefit I see from the one-Q per station rule is it 
>>> democratizes SS unlike other contests.
>>>
>>> Here is what leads me to this conclusion: megabuck GA station is 
>>> going to work out California on 20 and higher before sunset. Because 
>>> of this, his 6/6/6 on 80 (cmon, have a sense of humor) is not as 
>>> valuable, so he's primarily left working on 80 what he can't work on 
>>> the high bands, just like everyone else.
>>>
>>> Give him the chance to work all those W6s again on 40 and 80, which 
>>> he can do far easier than Joe Lunchbucket with an inverted vee at 
>>> 50, and again on 160 with his high dipole, and you've turned SS into 
>>> a megabuck-station-only contest like many of the others.
>>>
>>> SS is unique in how small stations can still do quite well. Much of 
>>> that is due to the neutering of multi-element low-band antennas 
>>> through the one-q per station rule. I like the fact a good op may 
>>> need nothing more than a tribander and shorty-forty on the same 
>>> tower to win.
>>>
>>> I get that Sunday doldrums are a drag, but I'm not sure opening up 
>>> this particular rule is the best answer.
>>>
>>> 73, kelly, ve4xt
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>>> On Nov 6, 2017, at 10:36, Jeff Clarke <ku8e at ku8e.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I love CW contests with a passion but I might consider not doing CW 
>>>> SS FT anymore.  I took just about all my off time in one stretch 
>>>> starting at 0800 Z so I could get a decent nights sleep because I 
>>>> dreading operating (BORING) on Sunday. The only thing that kept me 
>>>> going was that I needed about 5 multipliers for a sweep. Watching 
>>>> football when operating also helped me get thru it ! If it wasn't 
>>>> for those things I might have quit early.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe it's the right time to think about a rules change because it 
>>>> isn't  going to get better anytime soon. The declining sunspots 
>>>> will make participation decrease even more than it has.  I'm still 
>>>> fairly young in my 50's and I'm afraid in 10 years there won't be 
>>>> anyone to work in a CW contests. Lots of checks in the 1950's and 
>>>> 1960's. Not as many in the 1970's when I was licensed. Very few 
>>>> above the 1990's and 2000 +.
>>>>
>>>>   I know it's been discussed before but maybe it's time to allow a 
>>>> QSO with the same station on multiple bands. It would at least make 
>>>> SS more fun. Before anyone argues this wouldn't be fair consider 
>>>> pretty much the same people win every year because they have a good 
>>>> station/antennas and are SO2R experts. Plus most have a 
>>>> geographical advantage as well. I will admit I have it a lot better 
>>>> in Georgia then I did in Ohio. But not as good as those on the west 
>>>> coast. How else could I make almost make 400 QSO's on 20 meters 
>>>> using a dipole at 40 feet? Plus when 40 meters goes long it's good 
>>>> for me too because the guys north of me can't work each other. That 
>>>> gives me somewhat of a captive audience. On the other hand 80 
>>>> meters isn't as good for me as it was in Ohio. Always get beat out 
>>>> when a station further away is called by someone closer to them. So 
>>>> no matter the advantage you might enjoy it might be offset by 
>>>> someone else's on another band.
>>>>
>>>> I also wish they would make SO2R a separate category because it 
>>>> gives someone an advantage similar to SOA.
>>>>
>>>> Jeff KU8E
>>>>
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