[CQ-Contest] "It's just to save on typing"

Fri Oct 20 17:21:15 EDT 2017

Someday, children, when you grow up, you will be proud of the year you were first licensed, and thrilled that you can actually remember it. 

K1TN (CK 61)

-----Original Message-----
From: Ria Jairam [mailto:rjairam at gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 4:24 PM
To: Kelly Taylor <ve4xt at mymts.net>
Cc: Michael Clarson <wv2zow at gmail.com>; James Cain <jamesdavidcain at gmail.com>; CQ contest reflector <cq-contest at contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] "It's just to save on typing"

It also sounds like the check can be either the operator or the station.

> 4.4.1. The last 2 digits of the year of first license for either the 
> operator or the station.

73
Ria, N2RJ

On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 11:17 AM, Kelly Taylor <ve4xt at mymts.net> wrote:
> The difficulty with being obstinate about following rules to the letter is situations vary and rules are often vague. The check is certainly in that category.
>
> If you are a guest op, is it YOUR year of first licence or your 
> host’s? If you’re using his callsign, using your check muddles 
> matters. If it’s a multiop, whose check? If you were to follow the 
> rules to the letter, you might have each op giving out his own check 
> (it’s not exactly clear when all it says is “the year you were first 
> licensed.”)
>
> Further: the rules also state quite clearly “the decisions of the ARRL 
> are final.” The ARRL has decided it will not enforce checks (pretty 
> hard to do, anyway). (Which is not the same as saying you get away 
> with miscopying a check, merely the League will take no steps to 
> determine if VE4XT really was first licensed in 1982. (I was.))
>
> So, if you’re obstinate about following rules and the rules say the ARRL decisions are final, then you must accept there is some deliberate vagueness to the rule and stop worrying about it.
>
> 73, kelly, ve4xt
>
>
>
>> On Oct 20, 2017, at 9:05 AM, Michael Clarson <wv2zow at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Have to agree with James. Rules pretty clear on what the exchange is.
>> Check is"year first licensed", not some two digit number I made up to 
>> change things up. --Mike, WV2ZOW
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 8:23 AM,  <jamesdavidcain at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Lessee, now. This discussion began concerning the ARRL Sweepstakes 
>>> contest(s).
>>>
>>> Seems to me that a legitimate entry must follow the rules for the 
>>> exchange, and those rules are specific. I don't see where any of the 
>>> exchange elements can be fudged, or "negotiated."
>>>
>>> If you don't plan to submit your SS log you can fudge anything you 
>>> want -- except your call sign. But that's not playing fair.
>>>
>>> K1TN
>>>
>>>
>>> 4.1. A consecutive serial number;
>>>
>>> 4.2. Precedence;
>>>
>>> 4.2.1. "Q" for Single Op QRP (5 Watts output or less);
>>>
>>> 4.2.2. "A" for Single Op Low Power (up to 150 W output);
>>>
>>> 4.2.3. "B" for Single Op High Power (greater than 150 W output);
>>>
>>> 4.2.4. "U" for Single Op Unlimited Single-Op Unlimited High Power 
>>> and Single-Op Unlimited Low Power both send "U")
>>>
>>> 4.2.5. "M" for Multi-Op (Multiop High Power and Multiop Low Power 
>>> both send
>>> "M")
>>>
>>> 4.2.6. "S" for School Club;
>>>
>>> 4.3. Your Callsign (remember that you must include your call sign 
>>> during the
>>> exchange)
>>>
>>> 4.4. Check
>>>
>>> 4.4.1. The last 2 digits of the year of first license for either the 
>>> operator or the station.
>>>
>>> 4.4.2. An entry must send the same Check throughout the entire contest.
>>>
>>> 4.5. ARRL/RAC Section (click here for the official list 
>>> <http://www.arrl.org/contest-sections-list> )
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----------
>>>
>>> I've been meaning to change things up anyway, just to keep them on 
>>> their toes.
>>>
>>> 73
>>> Ria, N2RJ
>>> On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 4:31 PM Art Boyars <artboyars at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> When I saw the post about Call History Files for SS, and then saw 
>>>> the post for the site where you can get them, I was tempted to put 
>>>> in some bogus data -- change CK 60 to CK 69; change name Art to 
>>>> name Ari.  But I'm not quite that cranky.  Yet.
>>>>
>>>> 73, Art K3KU
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 12:48 AM, Radio K0HB <kzerohb at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Where possible, I routinely "update" my exchange from the last 
>>>>> contest, just to confound those who use "pre-loaded" data file crutches.
>>>>>
>>>>> 73, de Hans, K0HB
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Art Boyars
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 9:01 PM
>>>>> To: CQ-Contest Reflector
>>>>> Subject: [CQ-Contest] "It's just to save on typing"
>>>>>
>>>>> E-mail chatting with N4ZR, who has relocated from WV to MD.  Pete 
>>>>> muses that a lot of people who rely on SCP or Call History (or 
>>>>> whatever it is) "to save on typing" will bust the QSO by logging him as WV.
>>>>>
>>>>> I can see it now -- a cry for making the data files official; 
>>>>> perhaps prohibiting people from relocating or using a different name.
>>>>>
>>>>> "All participants must register in the official Call History File.  
>>>>> Your log must contain the data as reported in that File.  Scoring 
>>>>> will be in accordance with that File."
>>>>>
>>>>> Just think of all the typing we'll save!
>>>>>
>>>>> 73, Art K3KU
>>>>> who hopes you took this in fun (sort of) 
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