[CQ-Contest] [PVRC] Contesters review: new FT8, WSJT 2.0.0

Jukka Klemola jpklemola at gmail.com
Mon Dec 17 02:06:49 EST 2018


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Jukka OH6LI

ma 17. jouluk. 2018 klo 2.01 Ed Muns (ed at w0yk.com) kirjoitti:
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> Yes.  Set one radio on even and the other on odd cycles.
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> Ed W0YK
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> From: Dan K2YWE [mailto:dan.k2ywe at gmail.com]
> Sent: 16 December, 2018 12:45
> To: Tim Shoppa
> Cc: Ed W0YK; PVRC; cq-contest at contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [PVRC] [CQ-Contest] Contesters review: new FT8, WSJT 2.0.0
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> Can one do SO2R, splitting the "phases" to double/increase rate?  Maybe I'm
> way behind the curve.
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> I have too admit that the flood of wsjtgropup emails caused me to shut off
> the stream a while ago.
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> Dan Zeitlin - K2YWE
> South Shore ARC - K3AU
> Annapolis, Maryland
> dan z website <http://danzee.org>
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> On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 9:41 AM Tim Shoppa <tshoppa at gmail.com> wrote:
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> Ed, in one of the single-hour "contest mode trials" of WSJT 2.0 release
> candidates, I hit 36 FT8 Q's in an hour. The abbreviated contest exchange
> and the fact that most of the guys on had some contest-leanings, really
> helped me in that hour.
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> I did that by going almnost 100% S&P where I get the one-per-minute cycle
> time. It also really helped, that the trial hour band segment was not
> completely jam-packed with signals.
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> In the big FT8 test weekend two weeks ago, I did not hit that rate. Even
> when I focused and tried hard, I was usually only in the 20's for rate over
> a while hour. I attribute this to many of the participants being less
> contest-oriented.
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> The 120-per-hour run rate with the "TU, NOW" feature you mention, I think
> you might be able to exploit that from P4, with callers spreading themselves
> nicely and being patient to work a rare mult, but my feeling is that us more
> common mults will hardly ever use that.
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> Again, I do not plan to do any FT8 during RTTY RU. However, I do appreciate
> that the WSJT developers are learning some things about contesting to
> improve rates and that non-contest FT8 rates have improved noticeably as a
> result of this learning.
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> Ed, what rates were you able to hit in the FT8 weekend two weeks ago? I
> think when the logs are collected that AA5AU may be able to advise us as to
> peak rates hit by participants.
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> I did a quick-looksee at 3830 comments for FT8 roundup and see two
> experienced contesters talking about a best hour of 38Q's, and more typical
> "good hour" rates in the 20-30Q per hour range.
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> Tim N3QE
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> On Sat, Dec 15, 2018 at 6:53 PM Ed Muns <ed at w0yk.com> wrote:
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> The discussion below is based on the WSJT-X non-contest protocol.  Did you
> achieve any higher rates using the ARRL RTTY Roundup contest protocol in the
> FT8 Roundup two weeks ago?  If so, probably not by much.
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> That protocol will eventually have a "TU, NW" feature added which will get
> instantaneous rate to 120/hour.  SO2R double that.  Of course, average rate
> over a full hour will be less, but it will be much faster than then the
> current WSJT-X contest version.
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> Ed W0YK
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Tim
> Shoppa
> Sent: 14 December, 2018 11:49
> To: PVRC; cq-contest at contesting.com
> Subject: [CQ-Contest] Contesters review: new FT8, WSJT 2.0.0
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> Keep in mind that I write the below from a "Contesters perspective" but
> maybe toned down for lower FT8 expectations.
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> The official flag day for the new 77-bit FT8 messages was Monday Dec 14
> with the release of WSJT 2.0.0. Within a day almost all the activity had
> flipped over the the new version.
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> I spent many hours (20+ hours) trying it out, with "RR73" turned on to get
> max rates, and it is an improvement. I had also been involved a little bit
> with pre-release WSJT software in the mock-contest hours and the "FT8 mock
> test" the first weekend of December.
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> With the new WSJT 2.0.0 FT8, my peak S&P rate approaches one QSO a minute,
> my peak run rate approaches one QSO every 90 seconds, and my average rate
> over an hour is s 20 or more. It is hard to achieve peak rates on a super
> packed busy band like 20M FT8 but on a WARC band or "off peak" band it's
> quite achievable.
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> Contrast that with the old WSJT where my typical FT8 rate in an hour was 8
> to 12 QSO's an hour.
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> Now, in a real RTTY contest, 20 an hour is NOT something to write home
> about. It's dullsville, like maybe I should be doing something more fun
> like mopping the kitchen floor or raking leaves. But it is a real
> improvement for FT8 rate.
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> I DO NOT PLAN to do ANY FT8 in RTTY Roundup. Again, 20 an hour is a bad
> rate if you are trying to enter that competitively.
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> Tim N3QE
> Hardcore RTTY contester
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