[CQ-Contest] CQ-Contest Digest, Vol 187, Issue 14
GIWagner@k5kg.com
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Mon Jul 9 08:43:10 EDT 2018
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> 1. Re: A Peek at Next Weekend's WRTC2018 (Jack Brindle)
> 2. Re: WRTC Qualifying (Jeff Clarke)
> 3. Re: WRTC Qualifying (Jeff Clarke)
> 4. WRTC which contests qualify (cqtestk4xs at aol.com)
> 5. Re: WRTC Qualifying (cqtestk4xs at aol.com)
> 6. Re: WRTC which contests qualify (Chris Hurlbut)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2018 09:47:26 -0700
> From: Jack Brindle <jackbrindle at me.com>
> To: David Siddall <hhamwv at gmail.com>
> Cc: cq-contest <cq-contest at contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] A Peek at Next Weekend's WRTC2018
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> This needs to be corrected. 30,000,000 is 30 Megawatts, not Gigawatts.
> We really don?t want to look stupid in all these press releases!
>
> 73,
> Jack, W6FB
>
>> On Jul 8, 2018, at 5:20 AM, David Siddall <hhamwv at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> There also will be two special broadcasts of WRTC news and information on
>> shortwave, as I posted yesterday. These broadcasts will use 30 GIGAWATTS
>> (30,000,000 watts) ERP (300 KW > 20dB antenna)! Sat. July 14 @ 11-1200 UTC
>> and Sun. July 15 @ 0900 UTC, both on 6.070 MHz and 13.860 MHz (best for
>> North America).
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2018 17:09:00 -0400
> From: Jeff Clarke <ku8e at ku8e.com>
> To: cq-contest at contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] WRTC Qualifying
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> Oh C'Mon!!? An east coast station complaining about their propagation ??
> You got to be kidding right? You really don't realize how well you have
> it compared to the rest of the country. Only a handful of stations
> outside the East Coast ever make the top ten box in any category of a DX
> contest. Come down and operate where I live and you will appreciate what
> you have. I could probably put up a bunch of big towers and beams and
> K1AR would still beat me with his wires !! :)
>
> Jeff KU8E
>
>
>> On 7/8/2018 11:52 AM, rjairam at gmail.com wrote:
>> Hi Robert,
>>
>> In the USA I have operated from Florida, Arkansas and Texas and remotely
>> from California.
>>
>> The difference between NJ and Maine, NH or Vermont can be quite
>> significant.
>>
>> Yes up here it is better than the west coast but in contesting to work
>> Europe the more North Easterly you are, the better because the band stays
>> open longer.
>>
>> 73
>> Ria, N2RJ
>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 9:09 AM robert f beaudoin <wa1fcn at charter.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> GM Ria
>>>
>>> Maybe you have never operated from outside the NorthEast
>>> USA, but I find it
>>>
>>> hard to sympathize with your comment about you as a W2 station
>>> having a geographic
>>>
>>> disadvantage against W1 land. Your QTH in N. J. what is that
>>> 100 miles from W1 land ?
>>>
>>> I guess all things are relative but I sure wish I had your
>>> disadvantage.
>>>
>>> 73 and GM from from Alabama WA1FCN
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 7/7/2018 8:49 PM, rjairam at gmail.com wrote:
>>>> I?m looking at my case. Under the current criteria I have not a shot in
>>>> hell. Mostly because I?m competing with W1 who has an obvious geographic
>>>> advantage. When it was aligned with US Call districts it was a bit
>>> easier,
>>>> but I didn?t really try to qualify then.
>>>>
>>>> I guess the dream will have to wait, or I could spend money and build a
>>>> station in the Caribbean and operate, remotely even.
>>>>
>>>> I don?t think it will be possible to be completely fair but qualification
>>>> rules should prioritize skill first if this is going to be a competition
>>> of
>>>> who is the best operator. There are of course some damned good operators
>>> in
>>>> there but I think some who may not have access to a super duper station
>>> get
>>>> left out.
>>>>
>>>> 73
>>>> Ria
>>>> N2RJ
>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 9:21 PM Jeff Clarke <ku8e at ku8e.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> 6. Qualification Score Calculation
>>>>>
>>>>> The qualification score is the sum of up to 12 Event Scores. The maximum
>>>>> possible qualification score is 12.000 for DL, 11.900 for the rest of
>>>>> the world.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. A maximum of 4 Event Scores may be from multi-ops (MS/M2/MM).
>>>>> 2. A maximum of 4 Event Scores can be from outside an applicant?s home
>>>>> Selection Area (i.e., DXpeditions).
>>>>> 3. A maximum of 2 operators may submit scores for a single contest
>>> from
>>>>> a MS, 3 from a M2, and 4 from a MM.
>>>>> 4. If an operator?s callsign appears with more than one entry in a
>>>>> single qualifying event (e.g., from operating at more than one
>>>>> station), they may not use any scores from that contest.
>>>>> 5. In the unlikely case of a tie score for the final qualifying spot
>>> in
>>>>> a Selection Area, the applicants will be asked for additional
>>> scores
>>>>> beyond those submitted on the application until the tie is broken.
>>>>>
>>>>> As long as you operate a station in your own qualification area as a SO
>>>>> it counts. That would ether be from home OR as a guest operator. That's
>>>>> how you could qualify without having a station at home.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jeff
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 7/7/2018 05:38 PM, Timothy Coker via CQ-Contest wrote:
>>>>>> What if you had no home station, let alone a tribander with wires,
>>> could
>>>>> you qualify then?
>>>>>> Tim / N6WIN
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Saturday, July 7, 2018, 14:16, Igor Sokolov <ua9cdc at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Yes, this was the first time one could qualify using low power.
>>>>>> Notwithstanding you have to have big antenna farm because even in Low
>>>>>> power category there were a lot of competitors. And yes, some of those
>>>>>> who have big stations did bother with doing low power. Tribander and
>>>>>> wires from the city lot is not enough to qualify for WRTC regardless of
>>>>>> power.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 73, Igor UA9CDC
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 07.07.2018 22:03, Jeff Clarke ?????:
>>>>>>> It's possible to qualify by doing low power. Your score would be
>>>>>>> compared to others that are doing low power and not the high power
>>>>>>> scores. If you do that you won't have to compete again the "big gun"
>>>>>>> stations in your region. Plus you aren't getting any reduction in
>>>>>>> score ( getting the same number of points same as HP SO guys) like
>>>>>>> someone who did Multi-Ops. I really doubt someone who has a big
>>>>>>> station would want to bother with doing low power.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If I'm not mistaken Julio, AD4Z, who is one of the team leaders in our
>>>>>>> region (NA-002) did this and qualified.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jeff KU8E
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 7/6/2018 11:11 PM, Timothy Coker via CQ-Contest wrote:
>>>>>>>> I think what?s most interesting is the guys I know who typically win
>>>>>>>> don?t spend a lot of time complaining... they spend a lot of time
>>>>>>>> working at what makes them winners.
>>>>>>>> I can also think of some people who won/win that don?t have deep
>>>>>>>> pockets at all.
>>>>>>>> Some of the best operators don?t actually have big stations. Not
>>>>>>>> taking away from the big station owners at all, as some of them are
>>>>>>>> great operators themselves. However, many are willing to let the
>>>>>>>> latest up and coming great operators take their station seats to show
>>>>>>>> what can be done.
>>>>>>>> It makes sense to me because it takes a lot of time and effort to
>>>>>>>> either build or work to pay for others to build something expensive.
>>>>>>>> That same time is thus not spent on honing operating skills.
>>>>>>>> Very similar to how many athletes aren?t rich until after (and not
>>>>>>>> for all) they have worked so very hard to win and are given
>>> noteriety.
>>>>>>>> If a guy wants to remote or travel into my area and he beats me, so
>>>>>>>> be it... time for me to get better. Or maybe I don?t want to put in
>>>>>>>> the same operating skills effort that he did and thus I?ll just hope
>>>>>>>> he doesn?t return.
>>>>>>>> Competition is great... it shows how hard we are willing to work, or
>>>>>>>> not.
>>>>>>>> Tim / N6WIN.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Friday, July 6, 2018, 14:45, Jim via CQ-Contest
>>>>>>>> <cq-contest at contesting.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have a somewhat different perspective, being an Ohio snowbird who
>>>>>>>> spends half the year in Florida. As a practical matter I could not
>>>>>>>> qualify without a lot of travel or remote operating from W8. And I?m
>>>>>>>> not that stupid to head north from Florida in February :-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I had my shot at WRTC in 2014 (as N1U with partner K9NW), but I
>>>>>>>> didn?t compete to qualify for 2018, and don?t see me trying to
>>>>>>>> qualify for future WRTCs, so don?t take these comments as being self
>>>>>>>> serving.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If a W6 resident wants to operate from W1, let him do so, comparing
>>>>>>>> his scores with other W1 entrants. And conversely, if a guy living in
>>>>>>>> W1 is crazy enough to want to operate CQWW from W6, thinking the
>>>>>>>> qualifying competition there might be less, why stop him? Again,
>>>>>>>> compare his W6 score with other W6 scores, and let the WRTC
>>>>>>>> qualifying points go into his home W1 account.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So long as a person is a legitimate resident of his qualifying area,
>>>>>>>> why stop him from operating from anywhere in the world, whether in
>>>>>>>> person or remotely? I don?t have a problem to allow someone like
>>>>>>>> LZ4AX to qualify from W3, but I would not let people become
>>>>>>>> ?Africans? solely by virtue of a bunch of operating from zone 33.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 73 - Jim K8MR
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> p.s. Keep in mind the motto of the Florida Contest Group: Sooner or
>>>>>>>> later, you?ll be one of us!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Jul 6, 2018, at 4:16 PM, WW3S <ww3s at zoominternet.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A west coast ham, operating a remote station with antennas in Maine,
>>>>>>>>> should be competing as if he/she were physically in Maine.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 5, 2018, at 11:56 PM, David Siddall <hhamwv at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> A W6 ham resident in California that operates a station on the east
>>>>>>>>>> coast,
>>>>>>>>>> whether by physical or remote means, could not qualify to be a team
>>>>>>>>>> leader
>>>>>>>>>> for the WRTC2018. Rule 7.5 - 7.7, subject to Rule 6.2.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 73, Dave K3ZJ
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 5:52 PM, Carol Richards <n2mm at comcast.net>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I agree....where you operate _from_ should determine what region
>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>> compete in. A W6 in California operating a remote station on the
>>>>>>>>>>> East coast
>>>>>>>>>>> should not be grouped with other East coast stations to qualify
>>>>>>>>>>> for WRTC.
>>>>>>>>>>> This remote category is getting out of hand.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Carol
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2018 17:30:08 -0400
> From: Jeff Clarke <ku8e at ku8e.com>
> To: cq-contest at contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] WRTC Qualifying
> Message-ID: <28be5ad4-9ab0-81b1-230c-ab0179f5513a at ku8e.com>
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> When K4BAI and I were competitors in Brazil in 2006 our qualifying
> region included all of W1-W4 with only two teams from that region. Talk
> about a tough region to have to qualify in! I can tell you that
> propagation in Georgia is nothing close to what it is in New England so
> the odds of us making it was very slim even if you had a super station.
>
> In our case people ahead of us in the standings had to drop out for
> various reasons and others were teammates with someone else. They made
> it down to #7? in the East Region where K4BAI was and John picked me as
> his teammate.? I guess the moral of this story is just to try your best
> to have a good qualifying score and you might get lucky like we did.
>
> Jeff KU8E
>
>
>
>> On 7/8/2018 09:17 AM, David Siddall wrote:
>> For the record, in the WRTC2018 selection area that includes New England,
>> only one of the three winners operated in New England.
>>
>> One operated from the middle of Pennsylvania (225 miles WEST of New York
>> City). The other operated from the suburbs of Washington, DC.
>>
>> Furthermore, the Pennsylvania op lived in Boston and traveled TO
>> mid-Pennsylvania to operate in contests.
>>
>> Probably a good thing that these ops didn't realize that they had "no
>> chance in hell" to win.
>>
>> (Complete WRTC2018 qualification final rankings are at:
>> http://wrtc2018.de/index.php/en/competition/standings-2.
>>
>> 73, Dave K3ZJ
>>
>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 9:49 PM, rjairam at gmail.com <rjairam at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I?m looking at my case. Under the current criteria I have not a shot in
>>> hell. Mostly because I?m competing with W1 who has an obvious geographic
>>> advantage. When it was aligned with US Call districts it was a bit easier,
>>> but I didn?t really try to qualify then.
>>>
>> < >
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2018 19:00:47 -0400
> From: cqtestk4xs at aol.com
> To: cq-contest at contesting.com
> Subject: [CQ-Contest] WRTC which contests qualify
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> Geographical advantage for ALL of the east coast? Uh, no. I ran a 4 el wire quad at a height of 120-130 ft on 80 meters in central FL and regularly got beat out to EU by W1/W2 stations running inverted vees at 80 or 90 ft. There is a difference of around 1300-1400 miles from northern ME to southern FL and no station in FL can compete with a NE station in DX contests. Now for domestic contests that's a different story. That's why putting SS and maybe NAQP in the mix for qualifying is a fair way to go.
>
>
> My choice for qualifying events for US:
>
>
> ARRL DX
> CQWW
> WPX
> SS
> NAQP
>
>
> It is possible to make a top three or four with a modest station in NAQP and SS if you are a good op. K6LL and others have done it.
>
>
> By the way, if you have a modest station or no station, many good stations are available if you ask. The worst that will happen is the owner will say no. Also, consider using a club station. W4LT has used the Tampa Radio Club station and got first place US in the low power assisted last year.
>
>
> Yeah, it's easier if you have a big station at your QTH, but you can still qualify if you don't. Ask N2NL.
>
>
> Bill KH7XS/K4XS
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Clarke <ku8e at ku8e.com>
> To: cq-contest <cq-contest at contesting.com>
> Sent: Sun, Jul 8, 2018 9:45 pm
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] WRTC Qualifying
>
>
> Oh C'Mon!! An east coast station complaining about their propagation ? You got to be kidding right? You really don't realize how well you have it compared to the rest of the country. Only a handful of stations outside the East Coast ever make the top ten box in any category of a DX contest. Come down and operate where I live and you will appreciate what you have. I could probably put up a bunch of big towers and beams and K1AR would still beat me with his wires !! :) Jeff KU8E On 7/8/2018 11:52 AM, rjairam at gmail.com wrote: > Hi Robert, > > In the USA I have operated from Florida, Arkansas and Texas and remotely > from California. > > The difference between NJ and Maine, NH or Vermont can be quite > significant. > > Yes up here it is better than the west coast but in contesting to work > Europe the more North Easterly you are, the better because the band stays > open longer. > > 73 > Ria, N2RJ > > On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 9:09 AM robert f beaudoin <wa1fcn at charter.net> wrote: >
>>> GM Ria >> >> Maybe you have never operated from outside the NorthEast >> USA, but I find it >> >> hard to sympathize with your comment about you as a W2 station >> having a geographic >> >> disadvantage against W1 land. Your QTH in N. J. what is that >> 100 miles from W1 land ? >> >> I guess all things are relative but I sure wish I had your >> disadvantage. >> >> 73 and GM from from Alabama WA1FCN >> >> >> On 7/7/2018 8:49 PM, rjairam at gmail.com wrote: >>> I?m looking at my case. Under the current criteria I have not a shot in >>> hell. Mostly because I?m competing with W1 who has an obvious geographic >>> advantage. When it was aligned with US Call districts it was a bit >> easier, >>> but I didn?t really try to qualify then. >>> >>> I guess the dream will have to wait, or I could spend money and build a >>> station in the Caribbean and operate, remotely even. >>> >>> I don?t think it will be possible to be completely fair but qualification >>> rules shoul
> d prioritize skill first if this is going to be a competition >> of >>> who is the best operator. There are of course some damned good operators >> in >>> there but I think some who may not have access to a super duper station >> get >>> left out. >>> >>> 73 >>> Ria >>> N2RJ >>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 9:21 PM Jeff Clarke <ku8e at ku8e.com> wrote: >>> >>>> 6. Qualification Score Calculation >>>> >>>> The qualification score is the sum of up to 12 Event Scores. The maximum >>>> possible qualification score is 12.000 for DL, 11.900 for the rest of >is very different, so is the east coast>>> the world.>>>>>>>> 1. A maximum of 4 Event Scores may be from multi-ops (MS/M2/MM).>>>> 2. A maximum of 4 Event Scores can be from outside an applicant?s home>>>> Selection Area (i.e., DXpeditions).>>>> 3. A maximum of 2 operators may submit scores for a single contest>> from>>>> a MS, 3 from a M2, and 4 from a MM.>>>> 4. If an operator?s callsign appears with more than
> one entry in a>>>> single qualifying event (e.g., from operating at more than one>>>> station), they may not use any scores from that contest.>>>> 5. In the unlikely case of a tie score for the final qualifying spot>> in>>>> a Selection Area, the applicants will be asked for additional>> scores>>>> beyond those submitted on the application until the tie is broken.>>>>>>>> As long as you operate a station in your own qualification area as a SO>>>> it counts. That would ether be from home OR as a guest operator. That's>>>> how you could qualify without having a station at home.>>>>>>>> Jeff>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/7/2018 05:38 PM, Timothy Coker via CQ-Contest wrote:>>>>> What if you had no home station, let alone a tribander with wires,>> could>>>> you qualify then?>>>>> Tim / N6WIN>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, July 7, 2018, 14:16, Igor Sokolov <ua9cdc at gmail.com>>> wrote:>>>>> Yes, this was the first time one co
> uld qualify using low power.>>>>> Notwithstanding you have to have big antenna farm because even in Low>>>>> power category there were a lot of competitors. And yes, some of those>>>>> who have big stations did bother with doing low power. Tribander and>>>>> wires from the city lot is not enough to qualify for WRTC regardless of>>>>> power.>>>>>>>>>> 73, Igor UA9CDC>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 07.07.2018 22:03, Jeff Clarke ?????:>>>>>> It's possible to qualify by doing low power. Your score would be>>>>>> compared to others that are doing low power and not the high power>>>>>> scores. If you do that you won't have to compete again the "big gun">>>>>> stations in your region. Plus you aren't getting any reduction in>>>>>> score ( getting the same number of points same as HP SO guys) like>>>>>> someone who did Multi-Ops. I really doubt someone who has a big>>>>>> station would want to bother with doing low power.>>>>>>>>>>>> If I'm not mistaken Julio, AD4Z, who is one of the team leaders i
> n our>>>>>> region (NA-002) did this and qualified.>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeff KU8E>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/6/2018 11:11 PM, Timothy Coker via CQ-Contest wrote:>>>>>>> I think what?s most interesting is the guys I know who typically win>>>>>>> don?t spend a lot of time complaining... they spend a lot of time>>>>>>> working at what makes them winners.>>>>>>> I can also think of some people who won/win that don?t have deep>>>>>>> pockets at all.>>>>>>> Some of the best operators don?t actually have big stations. Not>>>>>>> taking away from the big station owners at all, as some of them are>>>>>>> great operators themselves. However, many are willing to let the>>>>>>> latest up and coming great operators take their station seats to show>>>>>>> what can be done.>>>>>>> It makes sense to me because it takes a lot of time and effort to>>>>>>> either build or work to pay for others to build something expensive.>>>>>>> That same time is thus not spent on honing operating skills.>>>>>>> Very si
> milar to how many athletes aren?t rich until after (and not>>>>>>> for all) they have worked so very hard to win and are given>> noteriety.>>>>>>> If a guy wants to remote or travel into my area and he beats me, so>>>>>>> be it... time for me to get better. Or maybe I don?t want to put in>>>>>>> the same operating skills effort that he did and thus I?ll just hope>>>>>>> he doesn?t return.>>>>>>> Competition is great... it shows how hard we are willing to work, or>>>>>>> not.>>>>>>> Tim / N6WIN.>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, July 6, 2018, 14:45, Jim via CQ-Contest>>>>>>> <cq-contest at contesting.com> wrote:>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a somewhat different perspective, being an Ohio snowbird who>>>>>>> spends half the year in Florida. As a practical matter I could not>>>>>>> qualify without a lot of travel or remote operating from W8. And I?m>>>>>>> not that stupid to head north from Florida in February :-)>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I had my shot at
> WRTC in 2014 (as N1U with partner K9NW), but I>>>>>>> didn?t compete to qualify for 2018, and don?t see me trying to>>>>>>> qualify for future WRTCs, so don?t take these comments as being self>>>>>>> serving.>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If a W6 resident wants to operate from W1, let him do so, comparing>>>>>>> his scores with other W1 entrants. And conversely, if a guy living in>>>>>>> W1 is crazy enough to want to operate CQWW from W6, thinking the>>>>>>> qualifying competition there might be less, why stop him? Again,>>>>>>> compare his W6 score with other W6 scores, and let the WRTC>>>>>>> qualifying points go into his home W1 account.>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So long as a person is a legitimate resident of his qualifying area,>>>>>>> why stop him from operating from anywhere in the world, whether in>>>>>>> person or remotely? I don?t have a problem to allow someone like>>>>>>> LZ4AX to qualify from W3, but I would not let people become>>>>>>> ?Africans? solely by virtue of a bunch of operating
> from zone 33.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 73 - Jim K8MR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> p.s. Keep in mind the motto of the Florida Contest Group: Sooner or>>>>>>> later, you?ll be one of us!>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 6, 2018, at 4:16 PM, WW3S <ww3s at zoominternet.net> wrote:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A west coast ham, operating a remote station with antennas in Maine,>>>>>>>> should be competing as if he/she were physically in Maine.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 5, 2018, at 11:56 PM, David Siddall <hhamwv at gmail.com>>> wrote:>>>>>>>>> A W6 ham resident in California that operates a station on the east>>>>>>>>> coast,>>>>>>>>> whether by physical or remote means, could not qualify to be a team>>>>>>>>> leader>>>>>>>>> for the WRTC2018. Rule 7.5 - 7.7, subject to Rule 6.2.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 73, Dave K3ZJ>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 5:52 PM, Carol Richards <n2mm at comcast.net>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> I agree....where you operate _from_ should determine what region>> you>>>>>>>>>> compete in. A W6 in California operating a remote station on the>>>>>>>>>> East coast>>>>>>>>>> should not be grouped with other East coast stations to qualify>>>>>>>>>> for WRTC.>>>>>>>>>> This remote category is getting out of hand.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Carol>>>>>>> _______________________________________________>>>>>>> CQ-Contest mailing list>>>>>>> CQ-Contest at contesting.com>>>>>>> http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/cq-contest>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________>>>>>>> CQ-Contest mailing list>>>>>>> CQ-Contest at contesting.com>>>>>>> http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/cq-contest>>>>> _______________________________________________>>>>> CQ-Contest mailing list>>>>> CQ-Contest at contesting.com>>>>> http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/cq-contest>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ___________________________________________
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> Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2018 19:54:31 -0400
> From: cqtestk4xs at aol.com
> To: cq-contest at contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] WRTC Qualifying
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> Come on Bob, being in Al or FL is an advantage to work JA and VK, true. However, no way can it make up for the multitude of countries and QSOs that are available in EU, especially on 160 and 80. I'm only 4000 miles from JA out here in KH6, and would gladly exchange the NY EU runs for my much slower JA, BY, YB, HS runs from KH6. The quantity is just not there, even with my outstanding location.
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> You forgot one other thing too. Being in AL or FL means that we get almost one hour less darkness at the end of Oct and Nov to get all those 40, 80 and 160 mults and countries. Even the ARRL DX contests have that issue. The only time AL, FL have equal darkness is for WPX SSB. And no, the extra hour of light is not a big deal for AL/FL on 10, 15 or 20 especially at this point of the cycle.
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> I once had a big time contester come down from NY to do a multi-single. He listened on 80 and wanted to know when the signals got better/stronger. I broke the news to him. That was a strong as they got. He was quite disappointed. End of story.
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> Bill K4XS/KH7XS
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> . The same way that being in Alabama should provide a BIG advantage vs. New England to working Japan, Southeast Asia, UA9/0 and the Pacific even though there are not as many stations to work.I?m sure that 100 miles North or South makes a big difference on some DX paths in Alabama too but that it is less noticeable until that 100 miles gives you a nice water path somewhere and then you will REALLY notice the difference.
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> Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2018 18:19:02 -0600
> From: Chris Hurlbut <chriskl9a at gmail.com>
> To: cqtestk4xs at aol.com
> Cc: cq-contest at contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] WRTC which contests qualify
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> Simply commenting on the opinion of SS being a WRTC qualifier, I have to
> disagree.
>
> Not much about SS translates to WRTC, other than maybe accuracy being
> important.
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> Of course, NAQP is a perfect qualification contest. :)
>
> -Chris KL9A
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> On Sun, Jul 8, 2018, 5:04 PM Bill via CQ-Contest <cq-contest at contesting.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Geographical advantage for ALL of the east coast? Uh, no. I ran a 4 el
>> wire quad at a height of 120-130 ft on 80 meters in central FL and
>> regularly got beat out to EU by W1/W2 stations running inverted vees at 80
>> or 90 ft. There is a difference of around 1300-1400 miles from northern ME
>> to southern FL and no station in FL can compete with a NE station in DX
>> contests. Now for domestic contests that's a different story. That's why
>> putting SS and maybe NAQP in the mix for qualifying is a fair way to go.
>>
>>
>> My choice for qualifying events for US:
>>
>>
>> ARRL DX
>> CQWW
>> WPX
>> SS
>> NAQP
>>
>>
>> It is possible to make a top three or four with a modest station in NAQP
>> and SS if you are a good op. K6LL and others have done it.
>>
>>
>> By the way, if you have a modest station or no station, many good stations
>> are available if you ask. The worst that will happen is the owner will say
>> no. Also, consider using a club station. W4LT has used the Tampa Radio
>> Club station and got first place US in the low power assisted last year.
>>
>>
>> Yeah, it's easier if you have a big station at your QTH, but you can still
>> qualify if you don't. Ask N2NL.
>>
>>
>> Bill KH7XS/K4XS
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jeff Clarke <ku8e at ku8e.com>
>> To: cq-contest <cq-contest at contesting.com>
>> Sent: Sun, Jul 8, 2018 9:45 pm
>> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] WRTC Qualifying
>>
>>
>> Oh C'Mon!! An east coast station complaining about their propagation ?
>> You got to be kidding right? You really don't realize how well you have it
>> compared to the rest of the country. Only a handful of stations outside the
>> East Coast ever make the top ten box in any category of a DX contest. Come
>> down and operate where I live and you will appreciate what you have. I
>> could probably put up a bunch of big towers and beams and K1AR would still
>> beat me with his wires !! :) Jeff KU8E On 7/8/2018 11:52 AM,
>> rjairam at gmail.com wrote: > Hi Robert, > > In the USA I have operated from
>> Florida, Arkansas and Texas and remotely > from California. > > The
>> difference between NJ and Maine, NH or Vermont can be quite > significant.
>>>> Yes up here it is better than the west coast but in contesting to work
>>> Europe the more North Easterly you are, the better because the band stays
>>> open longer. > > 73 > Ria, N2RJ > > On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 9:09 AM robert
>> f beaudoin <wa1fcn at charter.net> wrote: > >> GM Ria >> >>
>> Maybe you have never operated from outside the NorthEast >> USA, but I
>> find it >> >> hard to sympathize with your comment about you as a W2
>> station >> having a geographic >> >> disadvantage against W1 land. Your QTH
>> in N. J. what is that >> 100 miles from W1 land ? >> >> I guess all things
>> are relative but I sure wish I had your >> disadvantage. >> >> 73 and GM
>> from from Alabama WA1FCN >> >> >> On 7/7/2018 8:49 PM, rjairam at gmail.com
>> wrote: >>> I?m looking at my case. Under the current criteria I have not a
>> shot in >>> hell. Mostly because I?m competing with W1 who has an obvious
>> geographic >>> advantage. When it was aligned with US Call districts it was
>> a bit >> easier, >>> but I didn?t really try to qualify then. >>> >>> I
>> guess the dream will have to wait, or I could spend money and build a >>>
>> station in the Caribbean and operate, remotely even. >>> >>> I don?t think
>> it will be possible to be completely fair but qualification >>> rules
>> should prioritize skill first if this is going to be a competition >> of
>>>>> who is the best operator. There are of course some damned good
>> operators >> in >>> there but I think some who may not have access to a
>> super duper station >> get >>> left out. >>> >>> 73 >>> Ria >>> N2RJ >>> On
>> Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 9:21 PM Jeff Clarke <ku8e at ku8e.com> wrote: >>> >>>>
>> 6. Qualification Score Calculation >>>> >>>> The qualification score is the
>> sum of up to 12 Event Scores. The maximum >>>> possible qualification score
>> is 12.000 for DL, 11.900 for the rest of >is very different, so is the east
>> coast>>> the world.>>>>>>>> 1. A maximum of 4 Event Scores may be from
>> multi-ops (MS/M2/MM).>>>> 2. A maximum of 4 Event Scores can be from
>> outside an applicant?s home>>>> Selection Area (i.e.,
>> DXpeditions).>>>> 3. A maximum of 2 operators may submit scores for a
>> single contest>> from>>>> a MS, 3 from a M2, and 4 from a MM.>>>>
>> 4. If an operator?s callsign appears with more than one entry in a>>>>
>> single qualifying event (e.g., from operating at more than one>>>>
>> station), they may not use any scores from that contest.>>>> 5. In the
>> unlikely case of a tie score for the final qualifying spot>> in>>>> a
>> Selection Area, the applicants will be asked for additional>> scores>>>>
>> beyond those submitted on the application until the tie is
>> broken.>>>>>>>> As long as you operate a station in your own qualification
>> area as a SO>>>> it counts. That would ether be from home OR as a guest
>> operator. That's>>>> how you could qualify without having a station at
>> home.>>>>>>>> Jeff>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/7/2018 05:38 PM, Timothy Coker via
>> CQ-Contest wrote:>>>>> What if you had no home station, let alone a
>> tribander with wires,>> could>>>> you qualify then?>>>>> Tim /
>> N6WIN>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On
>> Saturday, July 7, 2018, 14:16, Igor Sokolov <ua9cdc at gmail.com>>>
>> wrote:>>>>> Yes, this was the first time one could qualify using low
>> power.>>>>> Notwithstanding you have to have big antenna farm because even
>> in Low>>>>> power category there were a lot of competitors. And yes, some
>> of those>>>>> who have big stations did bother with doing low power.
>> Tribander and>>>>> wires from the city lot is not enough to qualify for
>> WRTC regardless of>>>>> power.>>>>>>>>>> 73, Igor UA9CDC>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> 07.07.2018 22:03, Jeff Clarke ?????:>>>>>> It's possible to qualify by
>> doing low power. Your score would be>>>>>> compared to others that are
>> doing low power and not the high power>>>>>> scores. If you do that you
>> won't have to compete again the "big gun">>>>>> stations in your region.
>> Plus you aren't getting any reduction in>>>>>> score ( getting the same
>> number of points same as HP SO guys) like>>>>>> someone who did Multi-Ops.
>> I really doubt someone who has a big>>>>>> station would want to bother
>> with doing low power.>>>>>>>>>>>> If I'm not mistaken Julio, AD4Z, who is
>> one of the team leaders in our>>>>>> region (NA-002) did this and
>> qualified.>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeff KU8E>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/6/2018 11:11 PM,
>> Timothy Coker via CQ-Contest wrote:>>>>>>> I think what?s most interesting
>> is the guys I know who typically win>>>>>>> don?t spend a lot of time
>> complaining... they spend a lot of time>>>>>>> working at what makes them
>> winners.>>>>>>> I can also think of some people who won/win that don?t have
>> deep>>>>>>> pockets at all.>>>>>>> Some of the best operators don?t
>> actually have big stations. Not>>>>>>> taking away from the big station
>> owners at all, as some of them are>>>>>>> great operators themselves.
>> However, many are willing to let the>>>>>>> latest up and coming great
>> operators take their station seats to show>>>>>>> what can be done.>>>>>>>
>> It makes sense to me because it takes a lot of time and effort to>>>>>>>
>> either build or work to pay for others to build something expensive.>>>>>>>
>> That same time is thus not spent on honing operating skills.>>>>>>> Very
>> similar to how many athletes aren?t rich until after (and not>>>>>>> for
>> all) they have worked so very hard to win and are given>> noteriety.>>>>>>>
>> If a guy wants to remote or travel into my area and he beats me, so>>>>>>>
>> be it... time for me to get better. Or maybe I don?t want to put in>>>>>>>
>> the same operating skills effort that he did and thus I?ll just hope>>>>>>>
>> he doesn?t return.>>>>>>> Competition is great... it shows how hard we are
>> willing to work, or>>>>>>> not.>>>>>>> Tim / N6WIN.>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from
>> Yahoo Mail for iPhone>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, July 6, 2018, 14:45,
>> Jim via CQ-Contest>>>>>>> <cq-contest at contesting.com>
>> wrote:>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a somewhat different perspective, being an Ohio
>> snowbird who>>>>>>> spends half the year in Florida. As a practical matter
>> I could not>>>>>>> qualify without a lot of travel or remote operating from
>> W8. And I?m>>>>>>> not that stupid to head north from Florida in February
>> :-)>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I had my shot at WRTC in 2014 (as N1U with partner K9NW),
>> but I>>>>>>> didn?t compete to qualify for 2018, and don?t see me trying
>> to>>>>>>> qualify for future WRTCs, so don?t take these comments as being
>> self>>>>>>> serving.>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If a W6 resident wants to operate from
>> W1, let him do so, comparing>>>>>>> his scores with other W1 entrants. And
>> conversely, if a guy living in>>>>>>> W1 is crazy enough to want to operate
>> CQWW from W6, thinking the>>>>>>> qualifying competition there might be
>> less, why stop him? Again,>>>>>>> compare his W6 score with other W6
>> scores, and let the WRTC>>>>>>> qualifying points go into his home W1
>> account.>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So long as a person is a legitimate resident of his
>> qualifying area,>>>>>>> why stop him from operating from anywhere in the
>> world, whether in>>>>>>> person or remotely? I don?t have a problem to
>> allow someone like>>>>>>> LZ4AX to qualify from W3, but I would not let
>> people become>>>>>>> ?Africans? solely by virtue of a bunch of operating
>> from zone 33.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 73 - Jim K8MR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> p.s.
>> Keep in mind the motto of the Florida Contest Group: Sooner or>>>>>>>
>> later, you?ll be one of us!>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 6,
>> 2018, at 4:16 PM, WW3S <ww3s at zoominternet.net> wrote:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A
>> west coast ham, operating a remote station with antennas in Maine,>>>>>>>>
>> should be competing as if he/she were physically in Maine.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> Sent from my iPad>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 5, 2018, at 11:56 PM, David
>> Siddall <hhamwv at gmail.com>>> wrote:>>>>>>>>> A W6 ham resident in
>> California that operates a station on the east>>>>>>>>> coast,>>>>>>>>>
>> whether by physical or remote means, could not qualify to be a
>> team>>>>>>>>> leader>>>>>>>>> for the WRTC2018. Rule 7.5 - 7.7, subject to
>> Rule 6.2.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 73, Dave K3ZJ>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On
>> Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 5:52 PM, Carol Richards <n2mm at comcast.net>>>>>>>>>>>
>> wrote:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>> agree....where you operate _from_ should determine what region>>
>> you>>>>>>>>>> compete in. A W6 in California operating a remote station on
>> the>>>>>>>>>> East coast>>>>>>>>>> should not be grouped with other East
>> coast stations to qualify>>>>>>>>>> for WRTC.>>>>>>>>>> This remote
>> category is getting out of hand.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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