[CQ-Contest] Re; Use of remote receivers at "HQ" station in IARU contest

[Peter Bowyer]

Could someone post a link that describes the HQ section limits as referred
to? The ARRL page http://www.arrl.org/iaru-hf-championship doesn't do so,
and the IARU page http://www.iaru.org/contests.html simply refers to the
ARRL page.

Thanks.

Peter G4MJS

On 19 July 2018 at 16:24, Stephen Bloom <sbloom at acsalaska.net> wrote:

> Thanks, this definitely clears that up.  One thing that was confusing for
> me was … I did look at the contest rules on the ARRL Web Site, and while it
> stated that HQ stations could be at multiple sites, as long as they were in
> the same ITU Zone, I just didn’t see anything about antenna location.  I
> assumed therefore that it defaulted to the standard rules, which allow the
> use of remote, but state that all antennas need to be within x number of
> feet/meters of the station.  I agree, that under these rules, DA0HQ did a
> nice job.  I will say, I sure hope this remain a forever very rare
> exception to this rule.  Remoting is one thing, allowing in effect separate
> TX and RX locations changes things drastically (though it was a heck of a
> lot of fun when I was a Shore Station op), and we all know that there are
> already stations doing it.
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> 73
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> Steve KL7SB
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> From: David Siddall [mailto:hhamwv at gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 3:10 PM
> To: cq-contest <cq-contest at contesting.com>
> Cc: Stephen Bloom <sbloom at acsalaska.net>; frenaye at pcnet.com
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Re; Use of remote receivers at "HQ" station in
> IARU contest
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> It is clear in the IARU rules that the geographic boundary for stations
> participating as HQ stations can be anywhere within their country so long
> as all are within the same ITU zone.  In the case of Germany, they
> certainly can use remote receivers or complete remote stations, so long as
> the remote locations are within Germany. (The ITU limitation does not apply
> to them.  It DOES apply to countries spanning multiple ITU zones, such as
> the USA and Canada.)
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> I congratulate DA0HQ for their technological innovation in one of the few
> contesting situations that allows this particular type of operation.  I
> have heard that one or more other HQ stations is doing the same or similar
> set-up.  The only other contest that I know that permits remotes is CQWW
> 160 (limited to SOA HP and single remote within 100 kilometers).
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> It also is correct that IARU HQ stations are not entrants in the contest
> itself.  WWROF, not ARRL, scores their logs as a service.  You can read
> more information about this in my contesting column in CQ Magazine, June,
> 2017 at pages 95-96 and continued in July, 2017 at pages 87-88.  Or, you
> could just read the IARU contest rules, they are clear enough about HQ
> station limits.
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> 73, Dave K3ZJ
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> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 3:05 AM, <sbloom at acsalaska.net <mailto:
> sbloom at acsalaska.net> > wrote:
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> Hi Tom et al:
>
> I asked around about this before the WRTC closing ceremony tonight. The
> general consensus is, "There are no rules for the HQ stations." One of the
> reasons I assumed that there *were* rules is that this station (DA0HQ, no
> point in hiding the obvious), was *so* serious about multiplier hunting
> etc. (enough to have dedicated mult positions on each band). I took myself
> off the op list and left for a number of reasons, but the final one was the
> "rx antenna" instructions. I'd say bottom line, in this case it looks like
> it doesn't matter. The only thing I'd add on this particular station is, my
> sense is that the remote receivers are integrated with their normal rx
> antenna switching. It seems unlikely to me that it would be that way, only
> for this contest, but that is of course, speculation. Were I a log checker
> for one of the major contests and DF0HQ/DA0HQ were one of the leaders, I
> would be asking for audio.
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> 73
> Steve KL7SB
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> On Mon, 16 Jul 2018 12:02:36 -0400, Tom Frenaye  wrote:
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> Steve/KL7SB wrote:
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> I was wondering about the following situation ..
> I was scheduled to operate at one of the HQ stations for this contest. In
> this case, this particular station was doing 15 and 40M CW, with stations
> in
> other parts of the country, doing 10, 80, and 160.  I didn't actually
> operate, for reasons that don't matter at the moment.  What was
> strange, to me, is that when they were giving the ops instructions, and
> explaining the rx antenna switching, they explained that positions 1-4 (I
> think) were Beverages, and that in addition they had remote receivers, and
> were
> encouraged to use them if necessary.
> I checked out the IARU contest rules, and don't see anything stated
> specifically, but I know in general, contest rules require all antennas
> both rx
> and tx to be in fairly close proximity to the actual transmitting
> location. Any ideas?
>
> My reading of the IARU rules and the supplemental ARRL General Rules for
> Contests suggests that remote receivers are not permitted, even for HQ
> stations. Traditionally, HQ stations have been treated separately and have
> special rules to allow multi-muli and stations in multiple QTHs within the
> same ITU zone.
>
> They don't officially compete for score - the rules say they get
> participation certificates. But, the scores are collected and compared (I
> don't think it's part of the IARU/ARRL log checking process, yet a table of
> HQ scores is included in the results. The HQ competition is intense and at
> different times there have been serious issues with some groups finding
> ways to bend/break the rules in order to finish at or near the top.
>
> I think it's a "bad thing" if one or more of them was actively using
> remote receivers and hope the associated HQ scores will not be included in
> the final table.
>
> -- Tom
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