[CQ-Contest] WRTC looking for a new team leader
Stephen Bloom
sbloom at acsalaska.net
Mon Jun 11 16:52:14 EDT 2018
Mark
Yep that is it. Thanks for the info. I think we can put this one to bed.
73
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of MARK BAILEY
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 9:46 AM
To: cq-contest <cq-contest at contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] WRTC looking for a new team leader
Something like this?
http://wrtc2018.de/index.php/en/competition/selection-policies-2
73,
Mark, KD4D
> On June 11, 2018 at 11:59 AM Stephen Bloom <sbloom at acsalaska.net> wrote:
>
>
> Dave:
>
> Thanks for the info. Now things make more sense. What I would
> suggest to the Committee going forward, would be some sort of "succession system" in The rules to some reasonable depth -meaning it doesn't have to like the successon protocol to the British Monarch :) *If* there is some x period of warning time. Last minute is just going to be a scramble no matter what, unless they start having alternate teams on standby.
>
> What is disturbing is the ongoing mistrust. Every single human being
> alive, bar none has "confirmation bias" and a tendency to favor friends etc., but everything I've seen from the WRTC folks indicates to me that they are incredibly aware of trying to get this right. If/until I see otherwise, they should get the benefit of any doubt.
>
> 73
> Steve KL7SB
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf
> Of David Siddall
> Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 7:20 PM
> To: cq-contest <cq-contest at contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] WRTC looking for a new team leader
>
> Three points that one should consider on this topic.
>
> 1. With regard to the selection of an operator from Africa : there were only 3 competitors from Africa above 10,000 points in the qualifying period, and many from other areas above 10,000 did not make the cut.
> Indeed, there is no other op from Africa with more than even 4,500
> points
> -- the drop-off was very sharp after no.3. Unfortunately, whether justified or not, one of the top three was DQ in the CQWW and therefore not eligible. Another was selected TL, but now has to cancel. No. 3 (EA8RM) already is on a team as a TM. After that, there may be some super operators -- and I think that there are -- but one cannot objectively base a WRTC selection decision on this because none compiled a record during the qualifying period anywhere near close to that of hundreds of other competitors around the world who are not getting to compete.
>
> 2. With regard to teammates having to be from the same qualifying area :
> this is not the rule, and in fact fully 20 percent of the team leaders chose teammates from outside their qualifying area. Our communications cross boundaries, and so do friendships, respect, and operating ability.
>
> 3. With regard to the contest activity in Africa : there have been very significant efforts to promote ham radio and contesting in Africa, but obviously much more needs to be done. The WRTC selection process isn't the problem, sustained contest activity from Africa is the problem.
>
> 73, Dave K3ZJ
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 7:25 PM, Ron Notarius W3WN
> <wn3vaw at verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
> >
> > < >
> >
> > My original query was not about why a replacement was picked. I
> > understand completely that things happen, even at almost the last
> > minute, and that the WRTC sponsors need the flexibility to make a replacement.
> >
> > I was simply curious as to why it appeared that there was little to
> > no consideration of replacing the first qualifier from AF with the
> > next person in line.
> >
> > Now, I'm just curious. I am not asking for an explanation, nor do I
> > wish to imply that anyone owes me one. (Obviously Jorge may feel
> > differently about that). Nor is the WRTC committee required to
> > explain... it would be nice if they did, but they're not required.
> >
> > To my way of thinking, though, one would hope that there is when a
> > substitute is picked, one of two reasons takes place...
> > (1) The next (or next best) qualifier for the region, if any, is
> > asked, and if they can go at the last minute, accepted
> > (2) The next best overall qualifier, regardless of region, is asked, etc.
> >
> > < >
> >
> > 73, ron w3wn
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On
> > Behalf Of Bob Shohet, KQ2M
> > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 2:43 PM
> > To: Stephen Bloom; cq-contest at contesting.com
> > Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] [WRTC2018] looking for a new team leader
> >
> > Medical situations often arise unexpectedly. I was a US Team Leader
> > for WRTC 2006 held in Florianopolis, Brazil and I was forced to
> > withdraw just one month before WRTC as a result of severe
> > complications of surgery, which made it impossible for me to operate
> > much less travel.
> >
> > As a group, as contesters continue to age, it is more and more
> > likely that we will see an increase in medically related reasons for withdrawals.
> >
> > 73
> >
> > Bob KQ2M
> >
> >
> > From: Stephen Bloom
> > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 11:39 AM
> > To: cq-contest at contesting.com
> > Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] [WRTC2018] looking for a new team leader
> >
> > Hi all:
> >
> > One thing is, I imagine it is quite rare for someone to drop out
> > after qualifying. People work for years and invest considerable
> > time, money, and various other resources in order to qualify. The
> > most likely scenario is a very last minute thing. Someone gets
> > sick, or has a family emergency Or some situation in their home
> > country becomes dangerous. In this case, the replacement process in
> > the WRTC rules, (basically a ad hoc, "ok, who can do this" process)
> > is the only feasible option. The partner is already there, it
> > wouldn't be right to sideline him/her etc. (Full disclosure, I'm
> > already Planning on being in Wittenberg, and I did put in for the
> > position.) A change a month ahead of time isn't exactly the same,
> > but I'm not sure it is that much different. It would be tough to
> > get someone who wasn't already planning on being there.
> >
> > Regarding DL1CW, I know the request states that he *must* be the partner.
> > Even if that wasn't included though, I can't imagine anyone not
> > giving him the spot, it's simply the right thing to do.
> >
> > 73
> > Steve KL7SB
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On
> > Behalf Of Jorge Taboada
> > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 3:27 AM
> > To: cq-contest at contesting.com
> > Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] [WRTC2018] looking for a new team leader
> >
> > Hi To all.
> >
> >
> > Well Randy is talking about 2 differents issues, one are rules,
> > rules that under my personal view are not good in many aspects, but
> > now is not the question to talk about rules...... but I would like
> > to says something, there is a clasification, so 1st african TL
> > second TM, and the same for all others continents....... obviusly,
> > the second guy was working hard trying to be in the wrtc and he
> > cannot, this is not fair, for that's reason, 1º and 2º must be the team.
> >
> >
> > But my question is, the african TL for X reason cannot go to wrtc,
> > the team must be dissolve inmediately, new TL must has the option to
> > choice his own TM... maybe he will accept the currently TM, who
> > knows, but, anyway, new TL must have 2 options, choice a new one or accept the currentlyTM.
> >
> >
> > Finally, under my personal opinion, team members must be classified,
> > from Africa,.... in other case, are not a real African team representation.
> >
> >
> > 73s
> > Jorge Taboada Pareja, EA9LZ ED9Z EF9R CN2R 5E5E P.O.BOX 530
> > 51001 CEUTA, SPAIN
> > www.giraldatop.com<http://www.giraldatop.com/>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > De: Ron Notarius W3WN <wn3vaw at verizon.net>
> > Enviado: viernes, 8 de junio de 2018 19:21
> > Para: 'Jorge Taboada'
> > Asunto: RE: [CQ-Contest] [WRTC2018] looking for a new team leader
> >
> > In other words, they who wrote the rules left themselves a loophole
> > to appoint their own buddies. In short, you're shafted.
> >
> > And then they wonder why I have no interest in this alleged
> > competition. I know a stacked deck when I see one...
> >
> > Sorry OM, you deserved better.
> >
> > 73, ron w3wn
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On
> > Behalf Of Randy Thompson K5ZD
> > Sent: Friday, June 08, 2018 5:02 PM
> > To: 'Jorge Taboada'; 'Alex Malyava'; cq-contest at contesting.com
> > Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] [WRTC2018] looking for a new team leader
> >
> > The Team Leader and Team Mate (TM) selection process is described at
> > http://wrtc2018.de/index.php/en/competition/selection-criteria-2
> >
> > Section 8 says "Each Team Leader may select a Teammate (TM) from
> > anywhere in the world." That is how 5H3EE could select DL1CW as a
> > teammate.
> >
> > The WRTC2018 selection policies can be found at
> > http://wrtc2018.de/index.php/en/competition/selection-policies-2
> >
> > Section 2 describes the process that will happen if a Team Leader
> > (TL) withdraws. When it is this close to the date of WRTC, the
> > option is to make a request for Wild Card teams that would be able
> > to attend the competition.
> > The wild card team has to offer the TM position to DL1CW.
> >
> > It is complicated, but this is not the first time this situation has
> > occurred for a WRTC.
> >
> > 73
> >
> > Randy, K5ZD
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: CQ-Contest <cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com> On Behalf Of
> > > Jorge Taboada
> > > Sent: Friday, June 08, 2018 3:56 PM
> > > To: Alex Malyava <alex.k2bb at gmail.com>; cq-contest at contesting.com
> > > Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] [WRTC2018] looking for a new team leader
> > >
> > > Hi Again.
> > >
> > >
> > > I am sorry but I do not understand, African team must be
> > > integrated by those who classified from Africa no from Germany.
> > > Other history, if the wrtc allowed to the TL have a Team mate from
> > > anywhere..... in this case this is not a real a World Radio Team Champion.
> > >
> > > One more time, I do not understand, I am sorry.
> > >
> > >
> > > 73s
> > > Jorge Taboada Pareja, EA9LZ ED9Z EF9R CN2R 5E5E P.O.BOX 530
> > > 51001 CEUTA, SPAIN
> > > www.giraldatop.com<http://www.giraldatop.com/>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > De: Alex Malyava <alex.k2bb at gmail.com>
> > > Enviado: viernes, 8 de junio de 2018 12:08
> > > Para: Jorge Taboada
> > > Asunto: Re: [CQ-Contest] [WRTC2018] looking for a new team leader
> > >
> > > ... because 5H3EE is German?
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 5:59 AM, Jorge Taboada
> > > <ea9lz at hotmail.com<mailto:ea9lz at hotmail.com>> wrote:
> > > Hi.
> > >
> > >
> > > yes is corious, specially for me, I am not a very intelligent
> > > guy, so I do not understand, why for the African Team, there is a
> > > DL station as Team Mate? waiting for some help to clarifying me,
> > > this rare
> > situtation.
> > >
> > >
> > > 73s
> > > Jorge Taboada Pareja, EA9LZ ED9Z EF9R CN2R 5E5E P.O.BOX 530
> > > 51001 CEUTA, SPAIN
> > > www.giraldatop.com<http://www.giraldatop.com><http://www.giraldatop.
> > > co
> > > m/>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > De: CQ-Contest
> > > <cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com<mailto:cq-contest-
> > > bounces at contesting.com>> en nombre de Ron Notarius W3WN
> > > <wn3vaw at verizon.net<mailto:wn3vaw at verizon.net>>
> > > Enviado: miércoles, 6 de junio de 2018 6:07
> > > Para: cq-contest at contesting.com<mailto:cq-contest at contesting.com>
> > > Asunto: Re: [CQ-Contest] [WRTC2018] looking for a new team leader
> > >
> > > Curious. Was there no one else from AF qualified or qualified
> > > enough for WRTC?
> > >
> > > One would think that if the, or one of the, 'winners' from AF for
> > > WRTC could not attend, the next person in line would get the call.
> > >
> > > 73, ron W3WN
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Randy Thompson K5ZD
> > > <k5zd at charter.net<mailto:k5zd at charter.net>>
> > > To: cq-contest <cq-contest at contesting.com<mailto:cq-
> > > contest at contesting.com>>
> > > Sent: Wed, Jun 6, 2018 7:58 am
> > > Subject: [CQ-Contest] [WRTC2018] looking for a new team leader
> > >
> > > Forwarded on behalf of DL5AXX.
> > >
> > > Hello contester,
> > >
> > > as the designated team leader of 'AF' had to refuse his
> > > participation due to personal reasons we would like replace the
> > > team 'AF' by a wild card team.
> > >
> > > So we invite you to send wild card applications for the now open
> > > TL position with DL1CW as team mate.
> > > The deadline for the wild card application is Saturday, June 9.
> > > 2018 at 2359z received at
> > > qualification at wrtc2018.de<mailto:qualification at wrtc2018.de>.
> > >
> > > Please explain, why you are applying as TL.
> > >
> > > After the deadline, we will choose the new TL as soon as possible.
> > >
> > > --
> > > 73 Ulf, DL5AXX
> > > WRTC2018 qualifications
> > >
> > >
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