[CQ-Contest] WRTC looking for a new team leader

Igor Sokolov ua9cdc at gmail.com
Tue Jun 12 01:19:28 EDT 2018 

You are right.

The selection process ideally should be changed, especially for 
countries with several area slots for WRTC.

Each area should hold WRTC like contest (or two) during the selection 
period.

And winners of these local RTC should go to WRTC.

This would allow true operators competition not biased by geography or 
cost of setup.


73, Igor UA9CDC


12.06.2018 6:04, rjairam at gmail.com пишет:
> I understand this as far as the remote op themselves goes.
>
> What about the ops who get pushed out of 1st place in their district due to
> a remote or out of area guest op? How does qualification work for them? Do
> they just lose the points, or do they get the 1st place points or something
> else for competing against resident ops?
>
> This has to be considered because if aspiring WRTCers go remote to gain
> points to qualify then selecting by geography makes absolutely no sense.
>
> Ria
> N2RJ
>
> On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 8:54 PM Timothy Coker <n6win at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> I suppose it would be like when KL9A proved that ARRL CW could be won
>> (claimed as of now) while remote...
>>
>> He appropriately reported his QTH as ME.
>>
>> Section 6, area 2 of the 2018 WRTC qualification rules state that only
>> four scores from out of your home area will be accepted.
>>
>> “ A maximum of 4 Event Scores can be from outside an applicant’s home
>> Selection Area (i.e.,
>> DXpeditions).”
>>
>> That will undoubtedly be modified to include remote operations. As Ria
>> states, remote operation is obviously here to stay.
>>
>> Not all of us have the resources and motivation to build a great station.
>> Thus people end up traveling. Multi scores are already limited and I can
>> completely understand how the progression of remote ops tech helps our
>> hobby as a whole with aging ham populace’s / smaller home lots.
>>
>> Tim / N6WIN.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>> On Monday, June 11, 2018, 15:24, rjairam at gmail.com <rjairam at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I really wonder how qualification is going to work out next time, at least
>> in USA? You compete in your area to win points to earn a spot but many
>> competitors are now clustered using remotes in W1 and W2. So you can’t
>> really win the region because someone from W7 or W0 or some other area will
>> use a remote and win the district and use points to qualify in their home
>> district?. So how does that work?
>>
>> Remote operation is here to stay but qualification criteria for WRTC will
>> need to adjust. If you’re competing primarily in W1 then you should compete
>> against W1, as it is in the actual contest results.
>>
>> Ria
>> N2RJ
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 12:51 PM Joe <nss at mwt.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Actually it is just like the "Olympics"
>>>
>>> One reason I really do not watch the Olympics anymore.
>>> 1- Professionals now allowed.
>>> 2- You can live full time in the USA, but if your bloodline like you
>>> have a third cousin three times removed, that is from jamaica, you can
>>> enter in as a Jamacian.
>>>
>>> SUCKS!
>>>
>>> the rule should be your primary residence or citizenship is where you
>>> are from.
>>>
>>> If you want to be on the team from CHAD, go live there full time.
>>>
>>> Joe WB9SBD
>>> Sig
>>> The Original Rolling Ball Clock
>>> Idle Tyme
>>> Idle-Tyme.com
>>> http://www.idle-tyme.com
>>> On 6/11/2018 5:16 AM, Trent Sampson wrote:
>>>> So what?
>>>>
>>>> If you want team Africa - you need to select Africans
>>>>
>>>> Makes a folly of the "Olympics of Amateur Radio"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: CQ-Contest <cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com> On Behalf Of
>> David
>>> Siddall
>>>> Sent: Monday, 11 June 2018 1:20 PM
>>>> To: cq-contest <cq-contest at contesting.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] WRTC looking for a new team leader
>>>>
>>>> Three points that one should consider on this topic.
>>>>
>>>> 1.  With regard to the selection of an operator from Africa : there
>> were
>>> only 3 competitors from Africa above 10,000 points in the qualifying
>>> period, and many from other areas above 10,000  did not make the cut.
>>>> Indeed, there is no other op from Africa with more than even 4,500
>> points
>>>> -- the drop-off was very sharp after no.3.  Unfortunately, whether
>>> justified or not, one of the top three was DQ in the CQWW and therefore
>> not
>>> eligible.  Another was selected TL, but now has to cancel.  No. 3 (EA8RM)
>>> already is on a team as a TM.  After that, there may be some super
>>> operators -- and I think that there are -- but one cannot objectively
>> base
>>> a WRTC selection decision on this because none compiled a record during
>> the
>>> qualifying period anywhere near close to that of hundreds of other
>>> competitors around the world who are not getting to compete.
>>>> 2. With regard to teammates having to be from the same qualifying area
>> :
>>>> this is not the rule, and in fact fully 20 percent of the team leaders
>>> chose teammates from outside their qualifying area.  Our communications
>>> cross boundaries, and so do friendships, respect, and operating ability.
>>>> 3. With regard to the contest activity in Africa : there have been very
>>> significant efforts to promote ham radio and contesting in Africa, but
>>> obviously much more needs to be done.  The WRTC selection process isn't
>> the
>>> problem, sustained contest activity from Africa is the problem.
>>>> 73, Dave K3ZJ
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 7:25 PM, Ron Notarius W3WN <wn3vaw at verizon.net
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> <  >
>>>>>
>>>>> My original query was not about why a replacement was picked.  I
>>>>> understand completely that things happen, even at almost the last
>>>>> minute, and that the WRTC sponsors need the flexibility to make a
>>> replacement.
>>>>> I was simply curious as to why it appeared that there was little to no
>>>>> consideration of replacing the first qualifier from AF with the next
>>>>> person in line.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now, I'm just curious.  I am not asking for an explanation, nor do I
>>>>> wish to imply that anyone owes me one.  (Obviously Jorge may feel
>>>>> differently about that).  Nor is the WRTC committee required to
>>>>> explain... it would be nice if they did, but they're not required.
>>>>>
>>>>> To my way of thinking, though, one would hope that there is when a
>>>>> substitute is picked, one of two reasons takes place...
>>>>> (1)  The next (or next best) qualifier for the region, if any, is
>>>>> asked, and if they can go at the last minute, accepted
>>>>> (2)  The next best overall qualifier, regardless of region, is asked,
>>> etc.
>>>>> <  >
>>>>>
>>>>> 73, ron w3wn
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf
>>>>> Of Bob Shohet, KQ2M
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 2:43 PM
>>>>> To: Stephen Bloom; cq-contest at contesting.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] [WRTC2018] looking for a new team leader
>>>>>
>>>>> Medical situations often arise unexpectedly.  I was a US Team Leader
>>>>> for WRTC 2006 held in Florianopolis, Brazil and I was forced to
>>>>> withdraw just one month  before WRTC as a result of severe
>>>>> complications of surgery, which made it impossible for me to operate
>>>>> much less travel.
>>>>>
>>>>> As a group, as contesters continue to age, it is more and more likely
>>>>> that we will see an increase in medically related reasons for
>>> withdrawals.
>>>>> 73
>>>>>
>>>>> Bob  KQ2M
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Stephen Bloom
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 11:39 AM
>>>>> To: cq-contest at contesting.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] [WRTC2018] looking for a new team leader
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi all:
>>>>>
>>>>> One thing is, I imagine it is quite rare for someone to drop out after
>>>>> qualifying.  People work for years and invest considerable time,
>>>>> money, and various other resources in order to qualify.  The most
>>>>> likely scenario is a very last minute thing.  Someone gets sick, or
>>>>> has a family emergency Or some situation in their home country becomes
>>>>> dangerous.  In this case, the replacement process in the WRTC rules,
>>>>> (basically a ad hoc, "ok, who can do this" process) is the only
>>>>> feasible option.  The partner is already there, it wouldn't be right
>>>>> to sideline him/her etc.  (Full disclosure, I'm already Planning on
>>>>> being in Wittenberg, and I did put in for the position.)  A change a
>>>>> month ahead of time isn't exactly the same, but I'm not sure it is
>>>>> that much different.  It would be tough to get someone who wasn't
>>>>> already planning on being there.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regarding DL1CW, I know the request states that he *must* be the
>>> partner.
>>>>> Even if that wasn't included though, I can't imagine anyone not giving
>>>>> him the spot, it's simply the right thing to do.
>>>>>
>>>>> 73
>>>>> Steve KL7SB
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf
>>>>> Of Jorge Taboada
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 3:27 AM
>>>>> To: cq-contest at contesting.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] [WRTC2018] looking for a new team leader
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi To all.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Well Randy is talking about 2 differents issues, one are rules, rules
>>>>> that under my  personal view are not good in many aspects, but now is
>>>>> not the question to talk about rules...... but I would like to says
>>>>> something, there is a clasification, so 1st african TL second TM, and
>>>>> the same for all others continents....... obviusly, the second guy was
>>>>> working hard trying to be in the wrtc and he cannot, this is not fair,
>>>>> for that's reason, 1º and 2º must be the team.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> But my question is, the african TL for X reason cannot go to wrtc, the
>>>>> team must be dissolve inmediately, new TL must has the option to
>>>>> choice his own TM... maybe he will accept the currently TM, who knows,
>>>>> but, anyway, new TL must have 2 options, choice a new one or accept
>> the
>>> currentlyTM.
>>>>>
>>>>> Finally, under my personal opinion, team members must be classified,
>>>>> from Africa,.... in other case, are not a real African team
>>> representation.
>>>>>
>>>>> 73s
>>>>> Jorge Taboada Pareja,  EA9LZ  ED9Z EF9R  CN2R 5E5E P.O.BOX 530
>>>>> 51001 CEUTA, SPAIN
>>>>> www.giraldatop.com<http://www.giraldatop.com/>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>> De: Ron Notarius W3WN <wn3vaw at verizon.net>
>>>>> Enviado: viernes, 8 de junio de 2018 19:21
>>>>> Para: 'Jorge Taboada'
>>>>> Asunto: RE: [CQ-Contest] [WRTC2018] looking for a new team leader
>>>>>
>>>>> In other words, they who wrote the rules left themselves a loophole to
>>>>> appoint their own buddies.  In short, you're shafted.
>>>>>
>>>>> And then they wonder why I have no interest in this alleged
>>>>> competition.  I know a stacked deck when I see one...
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry OM, you deserved better.
>>>>>
>>>>> 73, ron w3wn
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf
>>>>> Of Randy Thompson K5ZD
>>>>> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2018 5:02 PM
>>>>> To: 'Jorge Taboada'; 'Alex Malyava'; cq-contest at contesting.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] [WRTC2018] looking for a new team leader
>>>>>
>>>>> The Team Leader and Team Mate (TM) selection process is described at
>>>>> http://wrtc2018.de/index.php/en/competition/selection-criteria-2
>>>>>
>>>>> Section 8 says "Each Team Leader may select a Teammate (TM) from
>>>>> anywhere in the world."  That is how 5H3EE could select DL1CW as a
>>>>> teammate.
>>>>>
>>>>> The WRTC2018 selection policies can be found at
>>>>> http://wrtc2018.de/index.php/en/competition/selection-policies-2
>>>>>
>>>>> Section 2 describes the process that will happen if a Team Leader (TL)
>>>>> withdraws.  When it is this close to the date of WRTC, the option is
>>>>> to make a request for Wild Card teams that would be able to attend the
>>>>> competition.
>>>>> The wild card team has to offer the TM position to DL1CW.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is complicated, but this is not the first time this situation has
>>>>> occurred for a WRTC.
>>>>>
>>>>> 73
>>>>>
>>>>> Randy, K5ZD
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: CQ-Contest <cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com> On Behalf Of
>>>>>> Jorge Taboada
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2018 3:56 PM
>>>>>> To: Alex Malyava <alex.k2bb at gmail.com>; cq-contest at contesting.com
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] [WRTC2018] looking for a new team leader
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Again.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am sorry but I do not understand, African team must be integrated
>>>>>> by those who classified from Africa no from Germany. Other history,
>>>>>> if the wrtc allowed to the TL have a Team mate from anywhere..... in
>>>>>> this case this is not a real a World Radio Team Champion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One more time, I do not understand, I am sorry.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 73s
>>>>>> Jorge Taboada Pareja,  EA9LZ  ED9Z EF9R  CN2R 5E5E P.O.BOX 530
>>>>>> 51001 CEUTA, SPAIN
>>>>>> www.giraldatop.com<http://www.giraldatop.com/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>> De: Alex Malyava <alex.k2bb at gmail.com>
>>>>>> Enviado: viernes, 8 de junio de 2018 12:08
>>>>>> Para: Jorge Taboada
>>>>>> Asunto: Re: [CQ-Contest] [WRTC2018] looking for a new team leader
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ... because 5H3EE is German?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 5:59 AM, Jorge Taboada
>>>>>> <ea9lz at hotmail.com<mailto:ea9lz at hotmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> yes is corious, specially for me,  I am not a very intelligent guy,
>>>>>> so I do not understand, why for the African Team, there is a DL
>>>>>> station as Team Mate? waiting for some help to clarifying me, this
>>>>>> rare
>>>>> situtation.
>>>>>> 73s
>>>>>> Jorge Taboada Pareja,  EA9LZ  ED9Z EF9R  CN2R 5E5E P.O.BOX 530
>>>>>> 51001 CEUTA, SPAIN
>>>>>> www.giraldatop.com<http://www.giraldatop.com><http://www.giraldatop.
>>>>>> co
>>>>>> m/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>> De: CQ-Contest <cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com<mailto:cq-contest-
>>>>>> bounces at contesting.com>> en nombre de Ron Notarius W3WN
>>>>>> <wn3vaw at verizon.net<mailto:wn3vaw at verizon.net>>
>>>>>> Enviado: miércoles, 6 de junio de 2018 6:07
>>>>>> Para: cq-contest at contesting.com<mailto:cq-contest at contesting.com>
>>>>>> Asunto: Re: [CQ-Contest] [WRTC2018] looking for a new team leader
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Curious.  Was there no one else from AF qualified or qualified
>>>>>> enough for WRTC?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One would think that if the, or one of the, 'winners' from AF for
>>>>>> WRTC could not attend, the next person in line would get the call.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 73, ron W3WN
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Randy Thompson K5ZD
>>>>>> <k5zd at charter.net<mailto:k5zd at charter.net>>
>>>>>> To: cq-contest <cq-contest at contesting.com<mailto:cq-
>>>>>> contest at contesting.com>>
>>>>>> Sent: Wed, Jun 6, 2018 7:58 am
>>>>>> Subject: [CQ-Contest] [WRTC2018] looking for a new team leader
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Forwarded on behalf of DL5AXX.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello contester,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> as the designated team leader of 'AF' had to refuse his
>>>>>> participation due to personal reasons we would like replace the team
>>>>>> 'AF' by a wild card team.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So we invite you to send wild card applications for the now open TL
>>>>>> position with DL1CW as team mate.
>>>>>> The deadline for the wild card application is Saturday, June 9. 2018
>>>>>> at 2359z received at
>>>>>> qualification at wrtc2018.de<mailto:qualification at wrtc2018.de>.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please explain, why you are applying as TL.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> After the deadline, we will choose the new TL as soon as possible.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> 73 Ulf, DL5AXX
>>>>>> WRTC2018 qualifications
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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