[CQ-Contest] WRTC looking for a new team leader

Wed Jun 13 20:57:28 EDT 2018

I’ve seen first hand what guys go through to qualify for and win WRTC. They put in a LOT of time, equity, networking, research, skill development, etc. 
For some they are blessed with people around them who do what they can to help them.
Sometimes that help is being parts of Multi’s in region and out. Guest Oping in region and out, and possibly remoting in region and out.
They sometimes give up work / promotion opportunities along with family times. 
There is a LOT that these ham’s put in. 
I have a general feeling that the amount of sacrifice these hams, by their own choice, put in isn’t understood or possibly not desired to be understood.
Those who truly want to win the most will end up sacrificing the most. They often will have to be great ham’s who are able to navigate a vast array of personalities both positive and negative. The rules in which they do this aren’t always understood properly and may not even be fair.
Then they will spend considerable time and resources to go compete on an even playing field while some of us left behind aren’t able to for many various reasons.
To me all of the ham’s who make it to compete at WRTC have put in a ton of hard work and deserve to be there with the support of the many contestants who didn’t make it that far.
Remoting, traveling, and oping at home are all part of that. As is so much laid out above and probably way more that I haven’t a clue of as I’ve never been that devoted to working so hard at ham radio contesting as they have.
So for me... I think they arguements are often presented by ham’s who probably aren’t willing or able to make it that far... like myself (except I won’t argue negative as I surely haven’t the motivation to be like them as of now). Sometimes we should step back, take a look in the mirror, and be honest if we could, should, or even want to do what others do.
73,
Tim / N6WIN.

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On Wednesday, June 13, 2018, 14:41, Rudy Bakalov via CQ-Contest <cq-contest at contesting.com> wrote:

What exactly is the problem? WRTC candidates are limited to submitting 4 out of area entries. That is, out of area participation is already regulated.

Rudy N2WQ

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> On Jun 13, 2018, at 4:53 PM, "rjairam at gmail.com" <rjairam at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Steve,
> 
> Remote operation for contesting in general is “ok.”
> 
> Where it becomes problematic is when you’re vying for placement among your
> peers in a geographic region but some of your peers operate from another
> place that is far more advantageous.
> 
> For general contesting it’s acceptable but I think for geographical WRTC
> qualification it needs to be looked at a bit further. If you truly want the
> best from a particular region to be the teams that participate in WRTC,
> then all qualifying should be done from within that region. Simple as that.
> 
> 73
> Ria, N2RJ
> 
>> On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 4:08 PM Stephen Bloom <sbloom at acsalaska.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all:
>> 
>> It's not quite that straightforward.  "Remoting" can mean a bunch of
>> different things.  There are the "Rent A Stations", (both Remote and In
>> Person), some of which are Professional Level revenue centers, some just
>> "helps me cover the expense of my addiction."  The in person "Rent A
>> Stations" are a great time
>> For folks who either don't have home stations, or live in less than ideal
>> locations.
>> 
>> There are also situations like mine and they are becoming quite common too.
>> I live in an urban area (yes there are some, even in Alaska), with a decent
>> station, given that situation, and I now I own a Multi/Multi Contest
>> station, about 100KM away as the crow flies.  I don't have remoting setup
>> yet, and it is *very* unlikely, that even when I do, that I will do
>> anything
>> with it commercially, or open it up to anyone other than our in person
>> regulars.  My "primary mission" is to continue the legacy of an in person
>> multi op station in KL7, in the spirit of the man who built it, who was not
>> a fan of remoting.  Having said that, once I have the capacity, no doubt
>> I'll occasionally remote in for either dx, or one of the smaller contests,
>> and I don't see how it would be any different from
>> making the short flight down there.  Likely it will involve VOIP (well
>> really CWOIP) :)  If that was an absolute disqualification, I could, with a
>> pretty heavy
>> duty investment, setup a microwave relay (and guys were doing that Fifty
>> years ago).
>> 
>> The battle (I think) you are fighting was over as soon as any type of
>> outside "Assistance" was allowed.  Things evolve, and right now they evolve
>> rapidly.
>> Packet Cluster-Skimmer-RBN-IP Remoting-Something we haven't yet thought of.
>> I was cynical about remoting, and I'm still hoping that in person remains
>> the default for Multi Ops, because there is a social element to it that
>> can't be replicated any other way.  Other than that, contesting and
>> emerging
>> digital modes are the two healthiest areas of this hobby, and especially in
>> the U.S. the Amateur Radio Demographic is aging, and increasingly not in a
>> position to set up a fully operational station at home.    We don't have
>> the
>> luxury of stagnating, even if we want to.  No doubt at some point, "What
>> station do I want to use" will became a strategy question, along with "When
>> should I take my off time."  It's different, not better, not worse.  Our
>> job
>> is to embrace that, while still doing our best to make sure that it's fun
>> for "A boy and his radio."
>> 
>> 
>> 73
>> Steve KL7SB
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of
>> Paul O'Kane
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2018 1:53 AM
>> To: CQ-Contest <cq-contest at contesting.com>
>> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] WRTC looking for a new team leader
>> 
>> On 12/06/2018 02:37, Timothy Coker via CQ-Contest wrote:
>> 
>> <snip>
>> 
>>> One cannot vilify remote ops winning our area without also vilifying
>> guest
>> ops / DXPeditions.
>>> Tim / N6WIN.
>> 
>> In general, guest ops have made a commitment in terms of time and money to
>> operate from their chosen location. In general, remote ops have made no
>> such
>> commitment, and are dependent on the internet for each and every one of
>> their contacts.
>> 
>> Radio amateurs do it (communicate with one another) with RF. Everyone else
>> needs the internet.  Or have the rules changed?
>> 
>> 73,
>> Paul EI5DI
>> 
>> Hunting In Africa
>> http://www.ei5di.com/hunting1.html
>> 
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