[CQ-Contest] Quo Vadis Ham Radio? (was WJST-X)

Thu Oct 25 09:21:28 EDT 2018

I do not see horses, trains, automobiles competing in the same category.
The argument is for preserving "classic" modes, fine tuning the contest 
rules, trying to maintain some sanity of operator and HIS station 
competiting with equals. Not jet engine powered bicycle competitng with 
cyclists.
Contest rules could use some fine tuning, like outdated 3 points for 
QSO, 0 points for own country, etc.  
 We should try to make things some sense and make it grow, rather than 
poison it.

Yuri, K3BU

 On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 07:54 AM, cosson-dimitri wrote:

 > Hi Yuri,
>
> Our ancestors made the same remarks when the train or the automobile 
> appeared.
>
> If we do not evolve with progress, technology, we die ! It's valid for 
> a company but also for a hobby
> 73 de Dimitri F4DSK
>
>
>
> Envoyé depuis mon appareil mobile Samsung.
>
> -------- Message d'origine --------
> De : Yuri Blanarovich  Date : 24/10/2018  15:40  (GMT+01:00) À : CQ 
> Contest  Cc : Paul O'Kane

> Objet : [CQ-Contest] Quo Vadis Ham Radio? (was WJST-X)
> Paul,
>
>
> That is progress, don't you get it?
> Contesting, competition is getting modernized, technology is helping 
> us.
> You worry about ham radio? Look around.
> Sex robots are having sex for you, you don't have to bother.
> Self driving cars can transport dummies.
> Transgenders are creaming women's sports records and beating them, 
> making them irrelevant.
> Kids are getting glued to their phones, they don't know how to deal 
> with real humans.
> PC crap is replacing religion. Politicians take our money and then 
> screw us.
>
>
> There are some areas where things stay classic, like sail boat races 
> of boats without engines, 
> cycling using bicycles without engines, running in sneakers (oops, 
> springy artificial legs creeping in) 
> Ham radio is keeping archaic contest rules, but bringing technology to 
> "no need for ham".
> You are contester, but no station? No problem rentastation in the 
> country of your choice, it is just extended mike and headphones. Can't 
> hear the DX? Dial remote RX. Internet will bring you points and 
> multipliers, just click. With FT8, you don't even need to hear who you 
> are working.
>
>
> I'm having problem with reconciling rentastations. If you built the 
> remote station and YOU are operating it, don't see problem. You were 
> licensed to get that callsign, you built that licensed station, you 
> operate it.
> But if someone licensed AB1C, operates purchased remote station 
> licensed XY9Z in Spartly, WTF?
> People are licensed, get the callsign to operate transmitting station 
> they are licensed to build, own, operate. I do not see FT1000 going to 
> FCC for license, callsign, setting the rentastation XY9Z and 
> advertising time for sale. Come, pretend to be DX or whatever. Someone 
> had to do it to let someone else to pretend to be there. 
>
>
> It is sad to see ham radio drifting away. I am glad I lived through 
> the golden years when humans used their skills to build and operate 
> their stations and admired and communicated with other fellow hams. It 
> was magic of building, learning, honing the skills and using radios to 
> meet people on the air. Callsign meant something. Now you don't know 
> who/what is at the other end.  Welcome to fun?
>
>
> Looks like progress will zoom by us and maybe we will not need any of 
> that, ESP might provide us with communication, no need for even 
> talking. Just sad to see hams putting jet engines on their bicycles, 
> competing in Tour de France. 
>
>
> I will keep few old fashion radios, just in case disaster wipes out 
> all that high tech. I will be tuning around trying to help.
>
>
> Yuri, K3BU.us
> MVmanor.com - place for Radiofest
>  
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 04:50 PM, Paul O'Kane wrote:
>
>> As we move ever closer to fully-automated data modes, the divide 
>> between data and
>> non-data modes gets bigger.  When and if the operator becomes 
>> incidental, what will
>> be the point of such contest QSOs - other than bragging that my 
>> software is smarter
>> than yours?
>>
>> WSJT-X may be the "flavour of the month" now - but, next month, or 
>> certainly next
>> year, something "better" will turn up - as the potential for "new and 
>> improved" data
>> modes is limitless.  Some see this as progress in amateur radio and 
>> contesting - I see
>> it as progress in automated two-way data processing over RF.
>>
>> It seems to me that any mode that is not and can not be decoded by 
>> individual
>> contesters (people) in real-time does not truly represent amateur 
>> radio.  But what
>> would  I know, being just an old-fashioned (outdated?) contester who 
>> keeps to
>> phone and CW :-)
>>
>> Some will argue that we have to keep up, we can't stop progress, and 
>> that amateur
>> radio and contesting are evolving.  I say that data modes are 
>> evolving into something
>> else entirely.
>>
>> 73,
>> Paul EI5DI
>>
>>
>>
>> On 23/10/2018 19:40, Brian Moran via CQ-Contest wrote:
>>> Joe, K1JT posted announcement of a dry-run to test WSJT-X in a 
>>> contest setting. The post was to the WSJT-X mailing list, but it's 
>>> about contesting, so it's likely relevant to readers of this list, 
>>> as well.  Upcoming versions of the WSJT-X software will have the 
>>> ability to make some contest exchanges, and I'm sure the WSJT-X 
>>> development team could benefit from the collective expertise of 
>>> long-time contesters. Here's an excerpt from the announcement:
>>> A one-hour "practice contest" will be held tomorrow (Wednesday 
>>> evening,  NA time) using the FT8 mode and the ARRL RTTY Roundup 
>>> rules.
>>>
>>> Date and time: Thursday, 25 October 0200-0300 UTC
>>>
>>> Dial frequency 7.078 (and higher, in 2 kHz increments, if too much 
>>> QRM). Everyone works everyone.
>>>
>>> To participate you must use WSJT-X 2.0.0-rc3
>>>
>>>
>>> See the link above for the entire announcement-Brian N9ADG
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