[CQ-Contest] Quo Vadis Ham Radio? (was WJST-X)

Thu Oct 25 10:35:07 EDT 2018

OK, I get it, some of you agree that it is OK to get on the horse, 
(whatever) and compete with the runners, in the running event like 10 km 
in Olympics.
I rest my case, go and enjoy beating and cheating to dumb slobs using 
sneakers.
Seems that that there is some effect of RF affecting some brains and 
reasoning.
Nobody is arguing against technology affecting ham radio. The subject is 
ham radio contests and classifications or categories and effort of 
trying to keep up with times and make sense in competitions.

I rest my case. Someone said you can't argue with.....

How would you like if I rented or bought VE1ZZ (SK) station in NS, 
operated it remotely with my call K3BU (or I could use my VE1BY) seeming 
to be in US and creaming whole of US/NA, nobody ever would beat me. (Oh, 
and add remote RXs on each continent.) Progress in what? Destruction of 
contesting?

73 and enjoy whatever!
Yuri, K3BU, VE1BY, VE3BMV 

 On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 09:22 AM, Maarten van R wrote:

 > It realy must suck to be Yuri.
>
> People used to die from diseases that are now easily cured, cancer
> treatment is getting better and better, people with disabilities have 
> far
> better lives and in recent wars less people died. All because of 
> technology
> but yet you only focus on the negatives.
>
> Until recently people who, for whatever reason,  were not able to 
> build a
> stations for themselves now have the opportunity to get on air using 
> remote
> stations and modes like FT8 provide people with very modes stations a 
> means
> to work DX and have fun in the hobby, even when conditions are down.
> But again, you only seem to focus on the negatives.
>
> I feel for you man.
>
> 73, Maarten PD2R
>
>
>
> Op do 25 okt. 2018 om 14:10 schreef cosson-dimitri
>> Hi Yuri,
>>
>> Our ancestors made the same remarks when the train or the automobile
>> appeared.
>>
>> If we do not evolve with progress, technology, we die ! It's valid 
>> for a
>> company but also for a hobby
>> 73 de Dimitri F4DSK
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Envoyé depuis mon appareil mobile Samsung.
>>
>> -------- Message d'origine --------
>> De : Yuri Blanarovich Date : 24/10/2018  15:40  (GMT+01:00)
>> À : CQ Contest Cc : Paul O'Kane

>> Objet : [CQ-Contest] Quo Vadis Ham Radio? (was WJST-X)
>>
>> Paul,
>>
>>
>> That is progress, don't you get it?
>> Contesting, competition is getting modernized, technology is helping 
>> us.
>> You worry about ham radio? Look around.
>> Sex robots are having sex for you, you don't have to bother.
>> Self driving cars can transport dummies.
>> Transgenders are creaming women's sports records and beating them,
>> making them irrelevant.
>> Kids are getting glued to their phones, they don't know how to deal 
>> with
>> real humans.
>> PC crap is replacing religion. Politicians take our money and then 
>> screw
>> us.
>>
>>
>> There are some areas where things stay classic, like sail boat races 
>> of
>> boats without engines,
>> cycling using bicycles without engines, running in sneakers (oops,
>> springy artificial legs creeping in)
>> Ham radio is keeping archaic contest rules, but bringing technology 
>> to
>> "no need for ham".
>> You are contester, but no station? No problem rentastation in the
>> country of your choice, it is just extended mike and headphones. 
>> Can't
>> hear the DX? Dial remote RX. Internet will bring you points and
>> multipliers, just click. With FT8, you don't even need to hear who 
>> you
>> are working.
>>
>>
>> I'm having problem with reconciling rentastations. If you built the
>> remote station and YOU are operating it, don't see problem. You were
>> licensed to get that callsign, you built that licensed station, you
>> operate it.
>> But if someone licensed AB1C, operates purchased remote station 
>> licensed
>> XY9Z in Spartly, WTF?
>> People are licensed, get the callsign to operate transmitting station
>> they are licensed to build, own, operate. I do not see FT1000 going 
>> to
>> FCC for license, callsign, setting the rentastation XY9Z and 
>> advertising
>> time for sale. Come, pretend to be DX or whatever. Someone had to do 
>> it
>> to let someone else to pretend to be there.
>>
>>
>> It is sad to see ham radio drifting away. I am glad I lived through 
>> the
>> golden years when humans used their skills to build and operate their
>> stations and admired and communicated with other fellow hams. It was
>> magic of building, learning, honing the skills and using radios to 
>> meet
>> people on the air. Callsign meant something. Now you don't know 
>> who/what
>> is at the other end.  Welcome to fun?
>>
>>
>> Looks like progress will zoom by us and maybe we will not need any of
>> that, ESP might provide us with communication, no need for even 
>> talking.
>> Just sad to see hams putting jet engines on their bicycles, competing 
>> in
>> Tour de France.
>>
>>
>> I will keep few old fashion radios, just in case disaster wipes out 
>> all
>> that high tech. I will be tuning around trying to help.
>>
>>
>> Yuri, K3BU.us
>> MVmanor.com - place for Radiofest
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 04:50 PM, Paul O'Kane wrote:
>>
>>> As we move ever closer to fully-automated data modes, the divide
>>> between data and
>>> non-data modes gets bigger.  When and if the operator becomes
>>> incidental, what will
>>> be the point of such contest QSOs - other than bragging that my
>>> software is smarter
>>> than yours?
>>>
>>> WSJT-X may be the "flavour of the month" now - but, next month, or
>>> certainly next
>>> year, something "better" will turn up - as the potential for "new 
>>> and
>>> improved" data
>>> modes is limitless.  Some see this as progress in amateur radio and
>>> contesting - I see
>>> it as progress in automated two-way data processing over RF.
>>>
>>> It seems to me that any mode that is not and can not be decoded by
>>> individual
>>> contesters (people) in real-time does not truly represent amateur
>>> radio.  But what
>>> would  I know, being just an old-fashioned (outdated?) contester who
>>> keeps to
>>> phone and CW :-)
>>>
>>> Some will argue that we have to keep up, we can't stop progress, and
>>> that amateur
>>> radio and contesting are evolving.  I say that data modes are 
>>> evolving
>>> into something
>>> else entirely.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Paul EI5DI
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 23/10/2018 19:40, Brian Moran via CQ-Contest wrote:
>>>> Joe, K1JT posted announcement of a dry-run to test WSJT-X in a
>>>> contest setting. The post was to the WSJT-X mailing list, but it's
>>>> about contesting, so it's likely relevant to readers of this list, 
>>>> as
>>>> well.  Upcoming versions of the WSJT-X software will have the 
>>>> ability
>>>> to make some contest exchanges, and I'm sure the WSJT-X development
>>>> team could benefit from the collective expertise of long-time
>>>> contesters. Here's an excerpt from the announcement:
>>>> A one-hour "practice contest" will be held tomorrow (Wednesday
>>>> evening,  NA time) using the FT8 mode and the ARRL RTTY Roundup
>>>> rules.
>>>>
>>>> Date and time: Thursday, 25 October 0200-0300 UTC
>>>>
>>>> Dial frequency 7.078 (and higher, in 2 kHz increments, if too much
>>>> QRM). Everyone works everyone.
>>>>
>>>> To participate you must use WSJT-X 2.0.0-rc3
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> See the link above for the entire announcement-Brian N9ADG
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