[CQ-Contest] Rules for WRTC...oops

Wed Jan 2 18:26:58 EST 2019

To be serious for a second ..  I'm pretty much of the "It's up to the organizers" school.  I still *think* the idea is to have fun in the contests themselves.  Easy for me to say I guess, I've never competed in WRTC and would like to do it at least once (though will be difficult to manage from KL7).  Having said that ..

1)  WRTC is "next level" but the idea of treating all the qualifying contests as just the means to get in seems out of balance to me.  Don't most of us who are serious about contesting try to do as well as we can in each contest for it's own sake?  I can see strategizing to a point ("Is this one of the contests I should do from out of area?, "Assisted or Non?"), but not at the expense of fun.  I know for me, my "mission" for KL7RA is being the best on premises multi operator contest station possible in Zone 1/AK.  I wouldn't let WRTC seriously change that. 

2)  In terms of the rules themselves, again, for the most part "It's up to the organizers" but, the one thing that does piss me off is seeing rule changes due to suspected cheating.  If the organizers believe that HP results somehow reflect contesting ability moreso than LP, so be it.  If it is because they suspect a lot of the LP guys are actually running HP, that's wrong.  Bottom line, you don't penalize folks who do things the right way, due to others who don't.  Getting better at catching cheaters, is the only solution.  Which leads to

3)  Other than qualifying contest DQs, I'm not sure why there should be rules that make it harder for honest, competitive contesters to qualify.  I get the idea for "New Blood" but I'm not aware of any other competition, in any arena, that has a periodic qualifying track, that works like this.  I can't imagine say, the Olympics (every four years, new qualifier each time) setting limits like that.  The "proof of residence" thing similar.  If someone is a regular user say of one of RHR's stations, he/she is competing against other stations in *that* region.  If you've been to WRTC three times, and finished say ...14th, 10th, and 12th..you are one of the best contesters in the world.  How is competition any "fairer" if you can't compete.  There are other ways to get new blood ("Rookie Class?")

Finally, and most important

4)  None of this nonsense gets to the real problems with KL9A and N6MJ.  There is still neither a "Mutant" class, or a DQ rule for being of another species!

73
Steve KL7SB/Not VP9

On Wed, 2 Jan 2019 15:41:10 -0500 (EST), donovanf at starpower.net wrote:

I'd like to sell a bridge to anyone who believes they can win
a Team Leader position by operating in VP9...

73
Frank
W3LPL

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From: wigi at kl0r.com
To: cq-contest at contesting.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 2, 2019 7:46:16 PM
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Rules for WRTC...oops

While we're piling on (with good reason) VP9 isn't anywhere.

Wigi, KL0R

-----Original Message-----
From: CQ-Contest  On Behalf Of Rastislav Hrnko
Sent: Wednesday, January 2, 2019 8:17 AM
To: Radio K0HB ; Karel Matousek 
Cc: k5zd at charter.net; Contest Reflector ; Mats Strandberg 
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Rules for WRTC...oops

_yes , but with great scattering :-))

Rasto_OM3BH____________________________________________________________
> Od: "Radio K0HB" 
> Komu: "Karel Matousek" 
> Dátum: 02.01.2019 17:34
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> CC: 
And Minnesota is in the same group with West Virginia. Did they just throw darts at a map?73, de Hans, K0HB“Just a Boy and his Radio”™ On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 09:28 Karel Matousek  wrote:Hi,

UA6 it is a completely different world than here in central Europe. I cannot believe that someone could invent such stupidity and put OK/OM and UA6 into one group. I agree with Rasta OM3BH.

Karel OK1CF/OK5W
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Hi guys,

Does anyone have a worse idea to include UA6 region together with OK, OM etc.... ??? Why not with UA9 ...?
It would never have occurred to me.

73 HNY Rasťo OM3BH
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> Dátum: 02.01.2019 07:24
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>
It is up to the organizers, but in the past, this only meant that all
single band scores were compared to the all band scores. Not that a
single band entry could win and get the full qualifying points unless
their score was higher than the top all band entry.
It is possible in a contest like WPX for a single band entry to have a
higher score than the all band entries. In this case, it makes sense
that the single band entry would get the full qualifying points. But,
in most cases, it will be the all band score that sets the standard.

Regardless of the past, you are correct that the rules as written do
not specify this clearly.
Randy K5ZD

-----------------------------------------From: "Mats Strandberg"
To: cqtestk4xs at aol.com
Cc: cq-contest at contesting.com
Sent: Tuesday January 1 2019 9:30:11AM
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Rules for WRTC...oops

Bill,

Exactly the same struck me...

A station with a decent antenna for any single band, can quite easily
reach
Full Score in 12 contests, while the very skilled SO2R All Band
operator,
quite easily can end up not on full score in some of the contests,
due to
much higher competition, with the result that the Single Band guy can
grab
that TL ticket quite easily.

Or Bill, do we both miss something in the “small text” of the
rules?

73 de RM2D, Mats

On Tue, 1 Jan 2019 at 16:03, Bill kollenbaum via CQ-Contest <
cq-contest at contesting.com> wrote:

> A couple of things popped out at me.
> If I read the rules correctly:
> Single band entries count the same as all band entries...big
problem.
> Station VP5XYZ operates with a smallt station on a band from which
there
> are usually not any single band efforts...160 or 10. He operates
for a
> couple of hours and winds up with 30 or 40 Qs. VP5ABC does AB and
makes
> 7000 Qs but finishes nr 2 for his area. VP5XYZ gets more WRTC
credit than
> the guy who busted butt for 40+ hours at VP5ABC. This could happen
in many
> of the qualifying areas.
> In qualifying zones which are sparsely populated, what happens if
no one
> gets 25% of the top operator's score...no one goes from that
district?
>
> Bill KH7XS/K4XS
>
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