[CQ-Contest] Possible changes for CQ VHF Contest

[ku8e]

Sure it maybe suck in DX contests from the west coast but all is not lost because you do enjoy an advantage in domestic contests.The same could be said about not hearing Asia and Southeast Asia from over here towards the eastern part of the US. We usually don't hear that area of the world on a regular  basis except for the big gun JA stations. I have no problem working Europe from my QTH from Georgia but there is a significant difference between here and the east coast. They hear a lower level of stations that we don't hear at all.JeffSent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: Edward Sawyer <EdwardS at sbelectronics.com> Date: 7/25/19  6:06 AM  (GMT-05:00) To: CQ-Contest at contesting.com Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Possible changes for CQ VHF Contest Actually, the propagation is the same on the West Coast as it is on the East Coast.  The issue is the lack of DX participation in Japan, China, India, Australia, Indonesia, etc that rivals Europe.  If there was even half the participation in said region as there is in Europe, we wouldn't be having this conversation on East vs West Coast all the time.Ed  N1UR-----Original Message-----From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of egruff at cox.netSent: Wednesday, July 24, 2019 6:01 PMTo: CQ-Contest at contesting.comSubject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Possible changes for CQ VHF ContestAll,I feel like I am fighting the same battle on alternate fronts here. It's either "FT8 isn't real radio and shouldn't be allowed" or "No one needs to run 1500 W to work DX". The common thread is that the originators of these messages are almost exclusively hams on the East Coast (where I grew up and operated for the first 13 years or so as a ham, so I have no inherent bias against you guys, I promise). You have to understand that propagation from the western half of the US is NOTHING like it is where you live. On some bands, we haven't heard Europe in a year or more. This includes 12, 10 and 6 Meters. On 160 M, it takes a kW+ to work Europe most nights, and FT8/JT65 are often the only modes that are sensitive enough to pick them up. I have frequently reviewed my logs for 160, 80, 10 and 6 Meters, and more than half the contacts I've made in the past three years (nadir of Solar Cycle 24) were with stations that were weaker than -15 dB on digital modes. This is the commonly-accepted threshold for being able to hear CW. So, without the weak-signal modes, I wouldn't have made the contacts. It's great that you all are 2000 miles or less from most of Europe, but remember that we are at least 5000 miles from the continent. I'm not going to give up the chance to work new countries because "it's not CW or SSB", and I suspect none of you would either. For contests, a very similar situation exists. I am a semiserious contester and prefer CW to all other modes. However, for multimode contests, I can't hear, much less work many of the stations that you all work easily. WhileFT8 is painfully slow compared to CW or SSB, at some point I can pick up many more QSOs and some multipliers at the cost of a much lower rate with FT8. Again, why shouldn't I take advantage of the opportunity instead of turning off the radio? This weekend's CQ WW VHF contest was a great example.In 4 hours that I had to operate, I made 15 CW and 5 or so SSB QSOs, all in TX and FL. I was able to make 40 FT8 QSOs within the same window, many of which were new grids in the contest. Looking at my log, fully 75% of them were below the -15 dB threshold for CW. I bet that most of you East Coasters were able to make more QSOs in one hour than I did in 4 and probably had twice as many multipliers. I'd love to impose a rule that before anyone can bitch about FT8, they should have to run a contest from the West Coast. If you can get within 25% of your score in the same contest from a prior year at your home QTH, I'll take out a full-page ad in the newpaper of your choice to trumpet your opinion. You guys just don't know how much better it is there. There is a reason why there are fewer than two dozen 6 M DXCC awards earned by West Coast stations since the award started. Some of us have multiple towers, big yagis or stacks and run full QRO. You can argue how we do so much better to Japan, and that's true, but it's ONE country. We also occasionally can work China, Taiwan, S Korea and VK/ZL, but that's about it and they are 6000+ miles away. Certainly not the number of entities that are within 2000 miles of you guys. So, the next time you want to complain about why anyone would want to use FT8, consider that we're all not as fortunate as you. It's far worse for our fellow hams in KH6 and KL7. It's a great weak-signal mode that has a place in radio. I'll never give up CW (phone is another story), but I have no intention of quitting FT8 either and neither do many of my friends on this side of the country. All we're asking is that you show a little consideration for others that are in less favorable QTHs. 73, Eric NC6K  _______________________________________________CQ-Contest mailing listCQ-Contest at contesting.comhttp://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/cq-contest_______________________________________________CQ-Contest mailing listCQ-Contest at contesting.comhttp://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/cq-contest