[CQ-Contest] Serial number, contact sending speed

Igor Sokolov ua9cdc at gmail.com
Wed Mar 13 07:04:48 EDT 2019 

It is just different philosophy Barry. Two way QSO means correct info in 
both logs.

For the duration of a QSO you are partners with the op on the other 
side, responsible for the correct 2 way transfer of information.  How 
would log checkers supposed to know was it his inability to copy or your 
inability to send? And it does not matter if sending is done by the 
computer. There are many other factors that should be taken into account 
like speed, QRM situation, faulty transmitter or just intermittent 
connection to the TX antenna etc. If your temporary, lasting only one 
QSO team failed, you are both guilty and proportion of guilt does not 
matter.


73, Igor UA9CDC

13.03.2019 4:52, Barry пишет:
> That's why I don't operate the RDXC.
> Getting dinged for the other guy's inability to copy isn't right.
>
> Barry W2UP
>
> On 3/12/2019 12:41 PM, rjairam at gmail.com wrote:
>> In Russian dx test both sides need proper QSO otherwise nobody gets 
>> credit.
>>
>> Other contests allow one side to have a busted QSO.
>>
>> Ria
>> N2RJ
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 2:39 PM Dave Edmonds <dave at pkministrywebs.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I thought you had to have correct information in your log for 
>>> contacts in
>>> any contest... So which contests allow us to do half the job?
>>>
>>> Dave AFP
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 12:36 PM NM5M <nm5meric at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Don’t forget, in the Russian contest, the contest sponsor penalizes
>>>> stations if the receiving party doesn’t get the information correctly
>>> into
>>>> their log. To simplify, both stations have to copy correct 
>>>> information in
>>>> order to get full points for the contact.
>>>>
>>>> We could learn something from the way the Russians score their 
>>>> contest.
>>>>
>>>> 73,
>>>>
>>>> NM5M
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
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>>>>>    1. Phone Fray - Daylight Savings Time - Tuesday Nights
>>>>>       (dfaklis at frontiernet.net)
>>>>>    2. Serial # contests, speed? (Mike Smith VE9AA)
>>>>>    3. Re: Serial # contests, speed? (K9MA)
>>>>>    4. Re: Serial # contests, speed? (Edward Sawyer)
>>>>>    5. Re: Serial # contests, speed? (rjairam at gmail.com)
>>>>>    6. Re: Serial # contests, speed? (jimk8mr at aol.com)
>>>>>    7. Re: Serial # contests, speed? (Bob Shohet, KQ2M)
>>>>>    8. Re: Serial # contests, speed? (Ed K1EP)
>>>>>    9. Serial # contests, speed? (Bill Parry)
>>>>>   10. Serial # contests, speed? (jpescatore at aol.com)
>>>>>   11. Re: Serial # contests, speed? (Dave Edmonds)
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 1
>>>>> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 22:16:05 +0000 (UTC)
>>>>> From: "dfaklis at frontiernet.net" <dfaklis at frontiernet.net>
>>>>> To: "cq-contest at contesting.com" <cq-contest at contesting.com>,    MRRC
>>>>>     Reflector <mrrc at contesting.com>
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>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 2
>>>>> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 21:44:17 -0300
>>>>> From: "Mike Smith VE9AA" <ve9aa at nbnet.nb.ca>
>>>>> To: <cq-contest at contesting.com>
>>>>> Subject: [CQ-Contest] Serial # contests, speed?
>>>>> Message-ID: <002e01d4d86c$b9f0a350$2dd1e9f0$@nbnet.nb.ca>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"
>>>>>
>>>>> For contests like RDX and WPX where the exchange is a serial #, do 
>>>>> you:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> .       Go as fast as always. (34-36wpm) , risking your qso partner
>>>> busting
>>>>> the #,but keeping rate high.
>>>>>
>>>>> .       Go a bit slower (30-32wpm), hoping the QRS improves the 
>>>>> copy &
>>>>> reduces busted exchanges.
>>>>>
>>>>> .       Send everything just as fast as normal (whatever that speed
>>> is),
>>>> but
>>>>> use brackets <<>> (a la N1MM) to slow down JUST the serial #
>>>>>
>>>>> .       Slow down only for obviously slow callers
>>>>>
>>>>> .       Something else?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Inquiring minds.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't want to skew the results, so I won't say (yet) what I do. 
>>>>> (and
>>>> who
>>>>> knows if what I do is even 'right')
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike VE9AA
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike, Coreen & Corey
>>>>>
>>>>> Keswick Ridge, NB
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 3
>>>>> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 20:02:55 -0600
>>>>> From: K9MA <k9ma at sdellington.us>
>>>>> To: Mike Smith VE9AA <ve9aa at nbnet.nb.ca>
>>>>> Cc: cq-contest at contesting.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Serial # contests, speed?
>>>>> Message-ID: <C7FA205D-26C9-4065-818E-C4B7227D2961 at sdellington.us>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=utf-8
>>>>>
>>>>> I slow down to the other?s speed, if necessary, and further if
>>>> conditions are poor. I think slowing down just for the sn is
>>>> counterproductive.
>>>>> 73,
>>>>> Scott K9MA
>>>>>
>>>>> ----------
>>>>>
>>>>> Scott Ellington
>>>>>
>>>>> --- via iPad
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mar 11, 2019, at 6:44 PM, Mike Smith VE9AA <ve9aa at nbnet.nb.ca>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> For contests like RDX and WPX where the exchange is a serial #, do
>>> you:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> .       Go as fast as always. (34-36wpm) , risking your qso partner
>>>> busting
>>>>>> the #,but keeping rate high.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> .       Go a bit slower (30-32wpm), hoping the QRS improves the 
>>>>>> copy &
>>>>>> reduces busted exchanges.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> .       Send everything just as fast as normal (whatever that speed
>>>> is), but
>>>>>> use brackets <<>> (a la N1MM) to slow down JUST the serial #
>>>>>>
>>>>>> .       Slow down only for obviously slow callers
>>>>>>
>>>>>> .       Something else?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Inquiring minds.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't want to skew the results, so I won't say (yet) what I do. 
>>>>>> (and
>>>> who
>>>>>> knows if what I do is even 'right')
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mike VE9AA
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mike, Coreen & Corey
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Keswick Ridge, NB
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> CQ-Contest mailing list
>>>>>> CQ-Contest at contesting.com
>>>>>> http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/cq-contest
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 4
>>>>> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 22:01:42 -0400
>>>>> From: Edward Sawyer <EdwardS at sbelectronics.com>
>>>>> To: Mike Smith VE9AA <ve9aa at nbnet.nb.ca>, "cq-contest at contesting.com"
>>>>>     <cq-contest at contesting.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Serial # contests, speed?
>>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>>     <
>>>> 0D39B6681B67B44DAEC5D6AD99294A8E047CF8ED1E61 at SBEMAIL.sbelectronics.com> 
>>>>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>>
>>>>> For WPX and Russia DX or ARRL or CQWW, for me it doesn't matter, 
>>>>> serial
>>>> # or not.  If conditions are good and you are working Europe, 
>>>> especially,
>>>> Russia and Eastern Europe, its fast 36 - 40.  If its all US or South
>>>> America I slow it down to 32 - 34.  When conditions are more marginal
>>>> especially with QSB, I use 28 - 30.  Especially over the pole - 26 
>>>> - 28.
>>>>> Ed  N1UR
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf
>>>> Of Mike Smith VE9AA
>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 8:44 PM
>>>>> To: cq-contest at contesting.com
>>>>> Subject: [CQ-Contest] Serial # contests, speed?
>>>>>
>>>>> For contests like RDX and WPX where the exchange is a serial #, do 
>>>>> you:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> .       Go as fast as always. (34-36wpm) , risking your qso partner
>>>> busting
>>>>> the #,but keeping rate high.
>>>>>
>>>>> .       Go a bit slower (30-32wpm), hoping the QRS improves the 
>>>>> copy &
>>>>> reduces busted exchanges.
>>>>>
>>>>> .       Send everything just as fast as normal (whatever that speed
>>> is),
>>>> but
>>>>> use brackets <<>> (a la N1MM) to slow down JUST the serial #
>>>>>
>>>>> .       Slow down only for obviously slow callers
>>>>>
>>>>> .       Something else?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Inquiring minds.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't want to skew the results, so I won't say (yet) what I do. 
>>>>> (and
>>>> who knows if what I do is even 'right')
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike VE9AA
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike, Coreen & Corey
>>>>>
>>>>> Keswick Ridge, NB
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> CQ-Contest mailing list
>>>>> CQ-Contest at contesting.com
>>>>> http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/cq-contest
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 5
>>>>> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 22:05:47 -0400
>>>>> From: "rjairam at gmail.com" <rjairam at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: Mike Smith VE9AA <ve9aa at nbnet.nb.ca>
>>>>> Cc: CQ-Contest Reflector <cq-contest at contesting.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Serial # contests, speed?
>>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>> <CAMCyBs6k43PRTDN14_t8r7c9vjAGdWqE1R8iadZ1R1Z7Wk+VOg at mail.gmail.com
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>>>>
>>>>> Automatically have software go slower to send the exchange.
>>>>>
>>>>> 73
>>>>> Ria, N2RJ
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, 11 Mar 2019 at 21:58, Mike Smith VE9AA <ve9aa at nbnet.nb.ca>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> For contests like RDX and WPX where the exchange is a serial #, do
>>> you:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> .       Go as fast as always. (34-36wpm) , risking your qso partner
>>>> busting
>>>>>> the #,but keeping rate high.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> .       Go a bit slower (30-32wpm), hoping the QRS improves the 
>>>>>> copy &
>>>>>> reduces busted exchanges.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> .       Send everything just as fast as normal (whatever that speed
>>>> is), but
>>>>>> use brackets <<>> (a la N1MM) to slow down JUST the serial #
>>>>>>
>>>>>> .       Slow down only for obviously slow callers
>>>>>>
>>>>>> .       Something else?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Inquiring minds.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't want to skew the results, so I won't say (yet) what I do. 
>>>>>> (and
>>>> who
>>>>>> knows if what I do is even 'right')
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mike VE9AA
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mike, Coreen & Corey
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Keswick Ridge, NB
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> CQ-Contest mailing list
>>>>>> CQ-Contest at contesting.com
>>>>>> http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/cq-contest
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> Ria Jairam, N2RJ
>>>>> Director, Hudson Division
>>>>> ARRL - The national association for Amateur Radio?
>>>>> +1.973.594.6275
>>>>> https://hudson.arrl.org
>>>>> n2rj at arrl.org
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 6
>>>>> Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2019 02:15:35 +0000 (UTC)
>>>>> From: jimk8mr at aol.com
>>>>> To: ve9aa at nbnet.nb.ca, cq-contest at contesting.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Serial # contests, speed?
>>>>> Message-ID: <2066153686.3273616.1552356935422 at mail.yahoo.com>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm of a keep it at the same speed style - I don't think the 300
>>>> milliseconds one saves by sending 5NN at warp speed compensates for 
>>>> the
>>>> other guy's brain having to shift gears to copy what I'm sending.
>>>>> I judge just how fast I'm sending by the nature of the pileup 
>>>>> (assuming
>>>> I have one!). The bigger the pileup, the safer it is to go fast, as 
>>>> it is
>>>> quite likely the guy you're working just listened to your previous QSO
>>> and
>>>> knows how to increment a number.
>>>>> Maybe not so much in serial number contests, but in a no-brain 
>>>>> exchange
>>>> contest (i.e. CQWW) sending on the fast side puts a sense of 
>>>> urgency for
>>>> the other guy to call you now.
>>>>> And as a contest wears on, yes, sending somewhat slower is a good
>>>> strategy. And if for some reason (hopefully other than you got spotted
>>> with
>>>> a busted call) you do get a small pileup, go ahead and bump up the 
>>>> speed
>>> a
>>>> bit.
>>>>>
>>>>> 73? -? Jim? K8MR
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Mike Smith VE9AA <ve9aa at nbnet.nb.ca>
>>>>> To: cq-contest <cq-contest at contesting.com>
>>>>> Sent: Mon, Mar 11, 2019 9:58 pm
>>>>> Subject: [CQ-Contest] Serial # contests, speed?
>>>>>
>>>>> For contests like RDX and WPX where the exchange is a serial #, do 
>>>>> you:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> .? ? ? Go as fast as always. (34-36wpm) , risking your qso partner
>>>> busting
>>>>> the #,but keeping rate high.
>>>>>
>>>>> .? ? ? Go a bit slower (30-32wpm), hoping the QRS improves the copy &
>>>>> reduces busted exchanges.
>>>>>
>>>>> .? ? ? Send everything just as fast as normal (whatever that speed 
>>>>> is),
>>>> but
>>>>> use brackets <<>> (a la N1MM) to slow down JUST the serial #
>>>>>
>>>>> .? ? ? Slow down only for obviously slow callers
>>>>>
>>>>> .? ? ? Something else?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Inquiring minds.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't want to skew the results, so I won't say (yet) what I do. 
>>>>> (and
>>>> who
>>>>> knows if what I do is even 'right')
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike VE9AA
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 7
>>>>> Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2019 00:18:04 -0400
>>>>> From: "Bob Shohet, KQ2M" <kq2m at kq2m.com>
>>>>> To: <jimk8mr at aol.com>,    <ve9aa at nbnet.nb.ca>,
>>>>>     <cq-contest at contesting.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Serial # contests, speed?
>>>>> Message-ID: <A2E111074D3949F6BBB370BE544F0B44 at BOBWINPC1PC>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="UTF-8"
>>>>>
>>>>> What is fun is when a super op type calls you and you KNOW that 
>>>>> you can
>>>> speed up and send it to him at 60 wpm and he will get it the first 
>>>> time
>>> and
>>>> vice-versa if I  I call him/her. Get?s the blood pumping a little 
>>>> faster
>>>> and puts a smile on my face (and hopefully theirs). :-)    And there
>>> are
>>>> some slow sending ops that can copy qrq easily ? but just can?t send
>>> fast ?
>>>> and your turning up the speed to send to them is like a knowing 
>>>> handshake
>>>> saluting their copying skill ? ?Hey I know who you  are ? you?re a 
>>>> really
>>>> good op so I am going to send fast to you!?.
>>>>> It also gets the attention of the pileup ? makes them listen and 
>>>>> wonder
>>>> what is going on.  If they are listening then they are not 
>>>> transmitting
>>>> which means that when the weak guy calls you will copy him and work 
>>>> him.
>>>> Sometimes that weak guy is a polar path mult that you would never have
>>>> heard if/when everyone was calling at once!
>>>>> It pays to slow down if cndx are disturbed and the signals start to
>>>> sound auroral and/or of have significant flutter (like the W1 path to
>>> JA) ?
>>>> if you are sending fast you will be harder to understand and 
>>>> callers may
>>>> pass you by.
>>>>> 73
>>>>>
>>>>> Bob  KQ2M
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: K8MR via CQ-Contest
>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 10:15 PM
>>>>> To: ve9aa at nbnet.nb.ca ; cq-contest at contesting.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Serial # contests, speed?
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm of a keep it at the same speed style - I don't think the 300
>>>> milliseconds one saves by sending 5NN at warp speed compensates for 
>>>> the
>>>> other guy's brain having to shift gears to copy what I'm sending.
>>>>> I judge just how fast I'm sending by the nature of the pileup 
>>>>> (assuming
>>>> I have one!). The bigger the pileup, the safer it is to go fast, as 
>>>> it is
>>>> quite likely the guy you're working just listened to your previous QSO
>>> and
>>>> knows how to increment a number.
>>>>> Maybe not so much in serial number contests, but in a no-brain 
>>>>> exchange
>>>> contest (i.e. CQWW) sending on the fast side puts a sense of 
>>>> urgency for
>>>> the other guy to call you now.
>>>>> And as a contest wears on, yes, sending somewhat slower is a good
>>>> strategy. And if for some reason (hopefully other than you got spotted
>>> with
>>>> a busted call) you do get a small pileup, go ahead and bump up the 
>>>> speed
>>> a
>>>> bit.
>>>>>
>>>>> 73  -  Jim  K8MR
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Mike Smith VE9AA <ve9aa at nbnet.nb.ca>
>>>>> To: cq-contest <cq-contest at contesting.com>
>>>>> Sent: Mon, Mar 11, 2019 9:58 pm
>>>>> Subject: [CQ-Contest] Serial # contests, speed?
>>>>>
>>>>> For contests like RDX and WPX where the exchange is a serial #, do 
>>>>> you:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> .      Go as fast as always. (34-36wpm) , risking your qso partner
>>>> busting
>>>>> the #,but keeping rate high.
>>>>>
>>>>> .      Go a bit slower (30-32wpm), hoping the QRS improves the copy &
>>>>> reduces busted exchanges.
>>>>>
>>>>> .      Send everything just as fast as normal (whatever that speed 
>>>>> is),
>>>> but
>>>>> use brackets <<>> (a la N1MM) to slow down JUST the serial #
>>>>>
>>>>> .      Slow down only for obviously slow callers
>>>>>
>>>>> .      Something else?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Inquiring minds.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't want to skew the results, so I won't say (yet) what I do. 
>>>>> (and
>>>> who
>>>>> knows if what I do is even 'right')
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike VE9AA
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> CQ-Contest mailing list
>>>>> CQ-Contest at contesting.com
>>>>> http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/cq-contest
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 8
>>>>> Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2019 05:25:58 -0400
>>>>> From: Ed K1EP <k1ep.list at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: jimk8mr at aol.com
>>>>> Cc: ve9aa at nbnet.nb.ca, cq Contest <cq-contest at contesting.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Serial # contests, speed?
>>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>> <CAKR4uUNq7qoQ2XRqRA=UmLPm9WOxg21na9sKUL8m8a8nQQOXDQ at mail.gmail.com
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>>>>
>>>>> What I don't get are those who send at warp speed, but pause a second
>>> or
>>>>> two before sending the exchange. Same amount of time if you just
>>>> eliminated
>>>>> the pause and sent at non-warp speed.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Mar 11, 2019, 23:41 K8MR via CQ-Contest <
>>>> cq-contest at contesting.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm of a keep it at the same speed style - I don't think the 300
>>>>>> milliseconds one saves by sending 5NN at warp speed compensates for
>>> the
>>>>>> other guy's brain having to shift gears to copy what I'm sending.
>>>>>> I judge just how fast I'm sending by the nature of the pileup
>>> (assuming
>>>> I
>>>>>> have one!). The bigger the pileup, the safer it is to go fast, as it
>>> is
>>>>>> quite likely the guy you're working just listened to your 
>>>>>> previous QSO
>>>> and
>>>>>> knows how to increment a number.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe not so much in serial number contests, but in a no-brain
>>> exchange
>>>>>> contest (i.e. CQWW) sending on the fast side puts a sense of urgency
>>> for
>>>>>> the other guy to call you now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And as a contest wears on, yes, sending somewhat slower is a good
>>>>>> strategy. And if for some reason (hopefully other than you got 
>>>>>> spotted
>>>> with
>>>>>> a busted call) you do get a small pileup, go ahead and bump up the
>>>> speed a
>>>>>> bit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 73  -  Jim  K8MR
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Mike Smith VE9AA <ve9aa at nbnet.nb.ca>
>>>>>> To: cq-contest <cq-contest at contesting.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Mon, Mar 11, 2019 9:58 pm
>>>>>> Subject: [CQ-Contest] Serial # contests, speed?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For contests like RDX and WPX where the exchange is a serial #, do
>>> you:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> .      Go as fast as always. (34-36wpm) , risking your qso partner
>>>> busting
>>>>>> the #,but keeping rate high.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> .      Go a bit slower (30-32wpm), hoping the QRS improves the 
>>>>>> copy &
>>>>>> reduces busted exchanges.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> .      Send everything just as fast as normal (whatever that speed
>>> is),
>>>> but
>>>>>> use brackets <<>> (a la N1MM) to slow down JUST the serial #
>>>>>>
>>>>>> .      Slow down only for obviously slow callers
>>>>>>
>>>>>> .      Something else?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Inquiring minds.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't want to skew the results, so I won't say (yet) what I do. 
>>>>>> (and
>>>> who
>>>>>> knows if what I do is even 'right')
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mike VE9AA
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> CQ-Contest mailing list
>>>>>> CQ-Contest at contesting.com
>>>>>> http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/cq-contest
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 9
>>>>> Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2019 05:00:39 -0500
>>>>> From: "Bill Parry" <bparry at rgv.rr.com>
>>>>> Cc: <cq-contest at contesting.com>
>>>>> Subject: [CQ-Contest] Serial # contests, speed?
>>>>> Message-ID: <000001d4d8ba$7445b8b0$5cd12a10$@rgv.rr.com>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="UTF-8"
>>>>>
>>>>> I have noticed that I need to send a little slower in JA pileups than
>>> in
>>>> EU ones.  Not sure why but if I try to speed up past 30 in a JA pileup
>>> the
>>>> pileup starts to dwindle. If the pileup is unruly I DO speed up.
>>>>> Bill
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: CQ-Contest <cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com> On Behalf Of 
>>>>> K9MA
>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 9:03 PM
>>>>> To: Mike Smith VE9AA <ve9aa at nbnet.nb.ca>
>>>>> Cc: cq-contest at contesting.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Serial # contests, speed?
>>>>>
>>>>> I slow down to the other?s speed, if necessary, and further if
>>>> conditions are poor. I think slowing down just for the sn is
>>>> counterproductive.
>>>>> 73,
>>>>> Scott K9MA
>>>>>
>>>>> ----------
>>>>>
>>>>> Scott Ellington
>>>>>
>>>>> --- via iPad
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mar 11, 2019, at 6:44 PM, Mike Smith VE9AA <ve9aa at nbnet.nb.ca>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> For contests like RDX and WPX where the exchange is a serial #, do
>>> you:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> .       Go as fast as always. (34-36wpm) , risking your qso partner
>>>> busting
>>>>>> the #,but keeping rate high.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> .       Go a bit slower (30-32wpm), hoping the QRS improves the 
>>>>>> copy &
>>>>>> reduces busted exchanges.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> .       Send everything just as fast as normal (whatever that speed
>>>> is), but
>>>>>> use brackets <<>> (a la N1MM) to slow down JUST the serial #
>>>>>>
>>>>>> .       Slow down only for obviously slow callers
>>>>>>
>>>>>> .       Something else?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Inquiring minds.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't want to skew the results, so I won't say (yet) what I do. 
>>>>>> (and
>>>>>> who knows if what I do is even 'right')
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mike VE9AA
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mike, Coreen & Corey
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Keswick Ridge, NB
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 10
>>>>> Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2019 11:17:48 +0000 (UTC)
>>>>> From: jpescatore at aol.com
>>>>> To: CQ-Contest at CONTESTING.COM
>>>>> Subject: [CQ-Contest] Serial # contests, speed?
>>>>> Message-ID: <939833448.4053654.1552389468740 at mail.yahoo.com>
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>>>>>
>>>>> I'll generally stay at high speed unless the caller is obviously
>>> slower.
>>>> Then I will send their callsign back full speed and hit the 
>>>> PageDown key
>>> a
>>>> few times before the variable part of the exchange, then back up.?
>>>>> For information free exchanges, like CQ WW, I don't slow down. For
>>> NAQP,
>>>> SS, FD and others that get lots of new or part timers, I don't 
>>>> speed up.
>>> On
>>>> VHF tests, I send as if I was using a straight key...
>>>>> 73 John K3TN
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 11
>>>>> Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2019 07:35:47 -0400
>>>>> From: Dave Edmonds <dave at pkministrywebs.com>
>>>>> To: Jim Stahl <jimk8mr at aol.com>
>>>>> Cc: Mike Smith VE9AA <ve9aa at nbnet.nb.ca>,    "
>>> cq-contest at contesting.com"
>>>>> <cq-contest at contesting.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Serial # contests, speed?
>>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>> <CAHQrxhKcjm4OYZ4Oo=gLxbZqoj-WkT1+iX8GE6tpQAR7gtnGYw at mail.gmail.com
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>>>>
>>>>> Amen K8MR!!!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> The comment about a sense of urgency is 100% DEAD ON! i never
>>> considered
>>>>> this before, but Jim is right. It's also upbeat and energetic...Those
>>> are
>>>>> always positive!
>>>>>
>>>>> Please do not change your CW speed during your exchange!... If you 
>>>>> do,
>>>> I'll
>>>>> probably ask for a repeat. When I hear a 599 or 5NN (or the first
>>> element
>>>>> of the exchange) at 40 wpm, my brain is primed to copy the rest of 
>>>>> the
>>>>> exchange at 40 wpm. Please oh please keep it constant. There's 
>>>>> nothing
>>>> for
>>>>> difficult than copying variable speed transmissions...Who started 
>>>>> this
>>>>> weird technique anyway?
>>>>>
>>>>> Have you ever heard W1AW speed copy tests? They don't change the 
>>>>> speed
>>>> with
>>>>> every other word. Perhaps they should create one and call it the
>>>> contesters
>>>>> variable speed copy test. When I took my 20 wpm test at the FCC 
>>>>> offices
>>>> in
>>>>> Atlanta, New Orleans and Greenville hamfest in the lat 70's, they
>>> didn't
>>>>> switch it up either.
>>>>>
>>>>> Frankly, even SS is pretty easy at the 36-40 range.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is a bit off the subject, but still relevant...Four more CW 
>>>>> truths
>>>>> that drive me to the 'funny farm'.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. If you run in a contest, please don't set your CQ speed faster 
>>>>> than
>>>> you
>>>>> can actually copy CW.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. Don't use phonetics on CW. I asked someone for a repeat 
>>>>> recently and
>>>>> they spelled out the letter that I was mission... Holy moly... Just
>>> send
>>>>> the letter a few times.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3. I'll add one more... I hear the good old "Please copy" on CW too.
>>>> WHAT!
>>>>> 4. Please leave enough space between CQs for a guy with a 6-character
>>>>> callsign to reply at a reasonable speed. This weekend, I had to reply
>>> at
>>>> 44
>>>>> wpm to fit my callsign in the GAP. I'm now calling this the 'CQ GAP'.
>>>>>
>>>>> Playing a little Prince "Let's Go Crazy", "Tom Sawyer" by Rush or 
>>>>> some
>>>> fast
>>>>> Phil Collins vinyl during your breaks will also help keep your 
>>>>> speed up
>>>>> when you return.
>>>>>
>>>>> 73s Dave WN4AFP
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Mar 11, 2019 at 11:41 PM K8MR via CQ-Contest <
>>>>> cq-contest at contesting.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm of a keep it at the same speed style - I don't think the 300
>>>>>> milliseconds one saves by sending 5NN at warp speed compensates for
>>> the
>>>>>> other guy's brain having to shift gears to copy what I'm sending.
>>>>>> I judge just how fast I'm sending by the nature of the pileup
>>> (assuming
>>>> I
>>>>>> have one!). The bigger the pileup, the safer it is to go fast, as it
>>> is
>>>>>> quite likely the guy you're working just listened to your 
>>>>>> previous QSO
>>>> and
>>>>>> knows how to increment a number.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe not so much in serial number contests, but in a no-brain
>>> exchange
>>>>>> contest (i.e. CQWW) sending on the fast side puts a sense of urgency
>>> for
>>>>>> the other guy to call you now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And as a contest wears on, yes, sending somewhat slower is a good
>>>>>> strategy. And if for some reason (hopefully other than you got 
>>>>>> spotted
>>>> with
>>>>>> a busted call) you do get a small pileup, go ahead and bump up the
>>>> speed a
>>>>>> bit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 73  -  Jim  K8MR
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Mike Smith VE9AA <ve9aa at nbnet.nb.ca>
>>>>>> To: cq-contest <cq-contest at contesting.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Mon, Mar 11, 2019 9:58 pm
>>>>>> Subject: [CQ-Contest] Serial # contests, speed?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For contests like RDX and WPX where the exchange is a serial #, do
>>> you:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> .      Go as fast as always. (34-36wpm) , risking your qso partner
>>>> busting
>>>>>> the #,but keeping rate high.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> .      Go a bit slower (30-32wpm), hoping the QRS improves the 
>>>>>> copy &
>>>>>> reduces busted exchanges.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> .      Send everything just as fast as normal (whatever that speed
>>> is),
>>>> but
>>>>>> use brackets <<>> (a la N1MM) to slow down JUST the serial #
>>>>>>
>>>>>> .      Slow down only for obviously slow callers
>>>>>>
>>>>>> .      Something else?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Inquiring minds.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't want to skew the results, so I won't say (yet) what I do. 
>>>>>> (and
>>>> who
>>>>>> knows if what I do is even 'right')
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mike VE9AA
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> Dave Edmonds
>>>>> PK Ministry Webs
>>>>> 864.288.6678
>>>>> dave at pkministrywebs.com
>>>>> www.pkministrywebs.com
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