[CQ-Contest] FT4 - Robotic Contesting

[Dale Putnam]

Robert brings a  very good point..
I happen to know that there will be a ssb station in WY  at least one... likely more,
and there will be a cw station.. and I know that at least two of these stations won't be
using FT4 to enhance their scores.

Somehow, it leaves me unrewarded to make a 6 sec contact, then spend much more time, and money,
to qsl to a contact that didn't even have a real touch to it.

Have a great day,

Dale - WC7S in Wy

"Actions speak louder than words"


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From: CQ-Contest <cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com> on behalf of robert <wa1fcn at charter.net>
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 5:12 PM
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Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] FT4 - Robotic Contesting

GA ria

         I would like to comment on

On 5/3/2019 2:03 PM, rjairam at gmail.com wrote:

    And things like state QSO parties which are done for fun and not for
    serious competition (mostly).
         Manny state Qso parties have serious competition example:
        NEQP New England Qsp party  (this comming weekend )
        CQP California qso party
        GQP Geiorgia Qso party
        FQP Florida Qso party  and several others.
                 I would say no serious entrant would ever consider using
                FT8 in one of these contest.  And yes I do operate a little
                FT8 .

        73 BoB WA1FCN

>  From what I gather nobody’s saying put FT4 in the biggest contests which
> are CQWW CW or SSB or even CQWW RTTY. Maybe in RTTY roundup and field day
> (which is not a contest). RTTY roundup has always welcomed digital modes
> other than RTTY.
>
> And yes a separate contest would work too but for some events organizers
> could mix it in, as it is done already.
>
> And things like state QSO parties which are done for fun and not for
> serious competition (mostly).
>
> Ft8 has had a minimal impact on contests where it is allowed today and I
> doubt that would change. The only exception is VHF and up but on the flip
> side it has also increased participation in general which is good for
> contesting.
>
> Ria
> N2RJ
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 3, 2019 at 2:53 PM K5WA <k5wa at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> And I could win Olympic ski jumping with a helicopter…technology
>> progresses on, right?  Apples to apples OM.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Sterling Mann <kawfey at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 12:24 PM
>> To: K5WA <k5wa at comcast.net>
>> Cc: cq-contest at contesting.com
>> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] FT4 - Robotic Contesting
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>>
>> Bob,
>>
>>
>>
>> That is true, but I think it's irrelevant. If our human brains could copy
>> FT4 (and RTTY for that matter), it'd be an apples to apples comparison to
>> CW and phone. But we cannot. It is apples to oranges. But that doesn't stop
>> us from competition against each other in an FT4 contest.
>>
>>
>>
>> Technology progresses humanity to give us ability beyond that of the
>> human, and technology progresses in amateur radio are no different. That's
>> my point.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -Sterling N0SSC
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>>
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>> On Fri, May 3, 2019 at 12:13 PM K5WA <k5wa at comcast.net <mailto:
>> k5wa at comcast.net> > wrote:
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>>
>>
>> Sterling,
>>
>>
>>
>> Your argument would carry a lot more water if you had the skill to copy FT4
>> in your head.
>>
>>
>>
>> Bob K5WA
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>> Message: 6
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>> Date: Thu, 2 May 2019 20:01:53 -0500
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>> From: Sterling Mann <kawfey at gmail.com <mailto:kawfey at gmail.com>  <mailto:
>> kawfey at gmail.com <mailto:kawfey at gmail.com> > >
>>
>> To: Mike Smith VE9AA <ve9aa at nbnet.nb.ca <mailto:ve9aa at nbnet.nb.ca>
>> <mailto:ve9aa at nbnet.nb.ca <mailto:ve9aa at nbnet.nb.ca> > >
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>> In the beginning, there were people. And people raced on foot. And then man
>> domesticated the animal, and raced that. And then man got creative, making
>> cars, planes, boats, trains, rockets, and so on and so forth...and raced
>> them all.
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>> Ham radio is the same. In the beginning there was CW. And then phone. And
>> then RTTY. And then BPSK. And so on and so forth, until now with FT4.
>>
>>
>>
>> What I'm getting at is that FT4 contesting will still be just as much fun
>> as
>> CW, SSB, and RTTY, and just as competitive. But, I think now after reading
>> a
>> negative opinion or two on CQ-contest, QRZ, eHam, reddit, and elsewhere, is
>> that the contesters ingrained in CW, phone, or RTTY radiosport will be hard
>> pressed to believe me. Meanwhile contesters of modern-day modes will have
>> as
>> much fun with FT4 as those who have been contesting with CW for their
>> lifetimes and it makes me sad that they'll be unlikely to share that
>> experience. So, I challenge the naysayers to give it a try. I promise you
>> that the "robot" you QSOing with will be no different than the N1MM
>> automation that manage 99% of a contact already.
>>
>>
>>
>> -Sterling N0SSC
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