[CQ-Contest] The legacy of not working dupes

[Stanley Zawrotny]

People need to update their mindset about dupes. The do NOT give you a penalty. Also, do not remove dupes from your log.....several contests now state that.

Consider....You work Someone, but he logs you wrong or just forgets to log you. He then calls you again an hour later. If you tell him it’s a dupe,
1. You break your rhythm 
2. You don’t get credit for him
3.  You DO get a NIL  for your entry and ARE penalized for your NIL

However, if you do log him again
1. You both get credit for the second QSO. (That’s why you shouldn’t remove what you think is a dupe from your log. 
2. Most contests ignore dupes.
3. Most contests will “almost-match” with callsigns that are close. They won’t give you credit, but they also don’t penalize you with a NIL.

I have had people tell me that their logger won’t allow dupes. Bull! Most loggers have settings to allow dupes. Do everyone a favor and correct your settings before the next contest.

Contest ebulliently!

Stan, K4SBZ

"Real radio bounces off the sky."

> On Jan 7, 2020, at 9:30 AM, Joe <nss at mwt.net> wrote:
> 
> In the back of my mind I remember the penalty was severe also for working a dupe.
> 
> I don't know if it was true or not, it is 40+ years ago after-all, But I remember of course you lost the credit of the dupe contact, but I also remember you were penalized by they removed the QSO before and after the dupe!
> 
> So you lost the dupe points and even possibly two more contacts that even could have been mults even!
> 
> Joe WB9SBD
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>> On 1/6/2020 11:14 PM, Edward Sawyer wrote:
>> The "no dupes" came from the fact that it was very difficult to weed the dupes out of the logs back before computerized logging.  So "loading up on dupes" was a way of "padding the log" and was penalized early on in the score keeping.  Today the reverse is true.
>> 
>> The days of sending with one hand and paper logging and dupe sheeting with the other are long gone too.
>> 
>> Ed  N1UR
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces+edwards=sbelectronics.com at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Blaine
>> Sent: Monday, January 6, 2020 9:55 PM
>> To: cq-contest at contesting.com
>> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] The legacy of not working dupes
>> 
>> It was pretty funny Mike.  But unfortunately in a "watch me shoot my
>> foot" sort of way.  I got into contesting way too late and missed
>> whatever it was that drove the no-dupes obsession back in the day.  Must
>> have had something to do with paper logging or labor or something like
>> that.  I'm sure there was a good reason the practice got started.
>> Clearly that original momentum has plenty of legs even now when it seems
>> the no-dupe thing is actually bad for biz.
>> 
>> 73/jeff/ac0c
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>> 
>>> On 1/6/20 6:17 PM, Mike Smith VE9AA wrote:
>>> Jeff,
>>> 
>>>   
>>> Like you, I always work dupes.  I work very little RTTY, but in the bigger
>>> CW contests, there always seem to be a very small # of EU's that will work
>>> me 2, 3 or even 7 times.  I can only surmise they trawl up and down the
>>> bottom end of 20m working the stronger NA stations to 'help them out' in the
>>> contest and are probably are not using a logging program.  I had to tell one
>>> guy one time after the 5th or 6th QSO in an hour or so "No more!"
>>> 
>>>   
>>> I loved the "don't think so" you got. I found that very funny (and very sad
>>> at the same time) (if that makes sense.)
>>> 
>>>   
>>> That'd be a new one on me.  Mike VE9AA
>>> 
>>>   
>>> "..I was S&P and called a guy that had apparently worked me - but was not in
>>> my log.  I got the "BEFORE" reply which I get a few times each contest and
>>> for that case, I have a short macro that says "NIL - plz work again".  And
>>> to my complete amazement the guy sent a reply - apparently typed by hand as
>>> the pace was a bit slower than normal macro exchange speed - "dont think
>>> so."   Wow, never had someone tell me that.   So the net result of this is
>>> he lost a point because he's not in my log and that will pop in the cross
>>> check. And we must have wasted a minute or two doing the dance.  Good move
>>> all around, OM! .."
>>> 
>>>   
>>> alpha-charlie-zero-charlie
>>> 
>>> www.ac0c.com
>>> 
>>>   
>>>   
>>>   
>>> Mike, Coreen & Corey
>>> 
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>>> 
>>>   
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