[CQ-Contest] The legacy of not working dupes

Tue Jan 7 18:20:23 EST 2020

Then you get the harassing callers. I had one guy who must not have liked me CQing, and he’d call me every 5 minutes or so, and then finally told me to shut up and go way

—  
Charlie
73 de KG2V
Http://www.thegallos.com

> On Jan 7, 2020, at 1:24 PM, Dave Edmonds <dave at pkministrywebs.com> wrote:
> 
> Perfect Stan!
> 
> Dave AFP
> 
> 
> 
>> On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 11:07 AM Stanley Zawrotny <k4sbz.stan at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> People need to update their mindset about dupes. The do NOT give you a
>> penalty. Also, do not remove dupes from your log.....several contests now
>> state that.
>> 
>> Consider....You work Someone, but he logs you wrong or just forgets to log
>> you. He then calls you again an hour later. If you tell him it’s a dupe,
>> 1. You break your rhythm
>> 2. You don’t get credit for him
>> 3.  You DO get a NIL  for your entry and ARE penalized for your NIL
>> 
>> However, if you do log him again
>> 1. You both get credit for the second QSO. (That’s why you shouldn’t
>> remove what you think is a dupe from your log.
>> 2. Most contests ignore dupes.
>> 3. Most contests will “almost-match” with callsigns that are close. They
>> won’t give you credit, but they also don’t penalize you with a NIL.
>> 
>> I have had people tell me that their logger won’t allow dupes. Bull! Most
>> loggers have settings to allow dupes. Do everyone a favor and correct your
>> settings before the next contest.
>> 
>> Contest ebulliently!
>> 
>> Stan, K4SBZ
>> 
>> "Real radio bounces off the sky."
>> 
>>>> On Jan 7, 2020, at 9:30 AM, Joe <nss at mwt.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> In the back of my mind I remember the penalty was severe also for
>> working a dupe.
>>> 
>>> I don't know if it was true or not, it is 40+ years ago after-all, But I
>> remember of course you lost the credit of the dupe contact, but I also
>> remember you were penalized by they removed the QSO before and after the
>> dupe!
>>> 
>>> So you lost the dupe points and even possibly two more contacts that
>> even could have been mults even!
>>> 
>>> Joe WB9SBD
>>> Sig
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>>>> On 1/6/2020 11:14 PM, Edward Sawyer wrote:
>>>> The "no dupes" came from the fact that it was very difficult to weed
>> the dupes out of the logs back before computerized logging.  So "loading up
>> on dupes" was a way of "padding the log" and was penalized early on in the
>> score keeping.  Today the reverse is true.
>>>> 
>>>> The days of sending with one hand and paper logging and dupe sheeting
>> with the other are long gone too.
>>>> 
>>>> Ed  N1UR
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces+edwards=
>> sbelectronics.com at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Blaine
>>>> Sent: Monday, January 6, 2020 9:55 PM
>>>> To: cq-contest at contesting.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] The legacy of not working dupes
>>>> 
>>>> It was pretty funny Mike.  But unfortunately in a "watch me shoot my
>>>> foot" sort of way.  I got into contesting way too late and missed
>>>> whatever it was that drove the no-dupes obsession back in the day.  Must
>>>> have had something to do with paper logging or labor or something like
>>>> that.  I'm sure there was a good reason the practice got started.
>>>> Clearly that original momentum has plenty of legs even now when it seems
>>>> the no-dupe thing is actually bad for biz.
>>>> 
>>>> 73/jeff/ac0c
>>>> alpha-charlie-zero-charlie
>>>> www.ac0c.com
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 1/6/20 6:17 PM, Mike Smith VE9AA wrote:
>>>>> Jeff,
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Like you, I always work dupes.  I work very little RTTY, but in the
>> bigger
>>>>> CW contests, there always seem to be a very small # of EU's that will
>> work
>>>>> me 2, 3 or even 7 times.  I can only surmise they trawl up and down the
>>>>> bottom end of 20m working the stronger NA stations to 'help them out'
>> in the
>>>>> contest and are probably are not using a logging program.  I had to
>> tell one
>>>>> guy one time after the 5th or 6th QSO in an hour or so "No more!"
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I loved the "don't think so" you got. I found that very funny (and
>> very sad
>>>>> at the same time) (if that makes sense.)
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> That'd be a new one on me.  Mike VE9AA
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> "..I was S&P and called a guy that had apparently worked me - but was
>> not in
>>>>> my log.  I got the "BEFORE" reply which I get a few times each contest
>> and
>>>>> for that case, I have a short macro that says "NIL - plz work again".
>> And
>>>>> to my complete amazement the guy sent a reply - apparently typed by
>> hand as
>>>>> the pace was a bit slower than normal macro exchange speed - "dont
>> think
>>>>> so."   Wow, never had someone tell me that.   So the net result of
>> this is
>>>>> he lost a point because he's not in my log and that will pop in the
>> cross
>>>>> check. And we must have wasted a minute or two doing the dance.  Good
>> move
>>>>> all around, OM! .."
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> alpha-charlie-zero-charlie
>>>>> 
>>>>> www.ac0c.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mike, Coreen & Corey
>>>>> 
>>>>> Keswick Ridge, NB
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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