[CQ-Contest] Mixed Digital Modes in HF Contests

[Bruce Horn]

Hi,

>From a brief review of the JSCALL documentation, it appears that its main purpose is to provide the means for longer messages, a la rag chewing. It does this by using additional 15 second transmissions to contain additional data/plain text messages. This does not seem like a contesting solution: 1) it takes longer for a QSO, and 2) data exchange isn't compatible with WSJT-X.

73 de Bruce, WA7BNM   (bhorn at hornucopia.com)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe" <nss at mwt.net>
To: "David Gilbert" <xdavid at cis-broadband.com>, "cq-contest" <cq-contest at contesting.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2020 7:33:36 AM
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Mixed Digital Modes in HF Contests

How about contact the JSCALL gang to see if they would like to work up 
what is needed to make it like MTTY is for RTTY in N1MM+?

JSCALL already is anything goes in the message. it is like PSK-31, you 
can even chat with it yet it uses the FT-8 and maybe 4? transmissions.

https://groups.io/g/js8call

Joe WB9SBD
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On 1/13/2020 10:03 PM, David Gilbert wrote:
>
> Those are my sentiments entirely.
>
> FT4 is only broken because of the UI, not the mode.  A better UI for 
> FT4 would solve a LOT of problems.  The sooner somebody comes up with 
> one the better.
>
> Mixing modes in the same contest, whether it is mixing RTTY and FTx or 
> mixing FT8 and FT4, is simply a very bad idea.  The confusion and 
> disruption it causes does nothing at all to advance FTx as a viable 
> contest mode.
>
> 73,
> Dave   AB7E
>
>
> On 1/13/2020 10:34 AM, Ron Koenig wrote:
>> If FT-4 had actually been released as a Contest Mode most of the issues
>> would not exist.  Sadly, it was not and because of it there is a mess.
>> You have cross sections of people that will NOT log if they don't get a
>> RR73 (They even refused to log With RR73 when they wanted RRR and 
>> then 73)
>> lots of these people are Causal ops in the contests, the NIL's are
>> intentional.
>> You have people answering Contest CQ's that are not in Contest mode (If
>> FT-4 was a Contest Mode, that would not be possible) Of course, Neither
>> side can properly log these as the exchange cannot be made... Some 
>> force it
>> to log.... NIL
>> FT-4 is very picky about time, many Many Q's go into a loop of repeats
>> because one or both ops time has shifted a 10th, or QSB has pushed the
>> signal down just enough. Often, after wasting several cycles, one 
>> side will
>> force it to log.... NIL
>> I am a fan of the FT-Modes for contesting, I have high hopes that 
>> someone
>> will develop software that makes it work.
>> I am Not a fan of FT-X in RTTY RU, or any other "Mixed" contest... It
>> simply causes confusion, lowers QSO counts and causes people to make 
>> Silly
>> claims that their FT-X rate rivaled RTTY...
>>
>> Ron, WV4P
>
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