[CQ-Contest] World Wide Digi DX Contest Results.

[Edward Sawyer]

Actually, I completely disagree.

When I am running stations on CW or SSB, I am listening to the station I hear and typing in what I hear.  Yes, I see on the screen the SCP suggestions as well as any autofill suggestions.  I can overwrite them at will, and often do – K5ZD is in zone 5 not Zone 4 – as an example – someone changed their power exchange since yesterday as another – the list goes on and on.

Based on my decision only, no one elses, I hit enter and its logged.  The person on the other end does the same.  If the logged items match it’s a Q.  Both computers could have suggested and autofilled something different and it doesn’t matter, because humans actually intervened and made it right.

And funny enough, the NILs are way better with the above vs the sequencing of computers trying to match all the bits before they both say – it’s a good Q.

Lets face facts.  Ft-X is designed for weak signal DX – just ask the inventor – he’ll tell you.  And its good at it too.  But what makes it good is its willingness to repeat over and over the mundane looking for just the right S/N mix to confirm the Q.  Great for low signal DXing, not so great for contesting.

Sure sounds like a square peg trying to go through a round hole to me.  But more power to those that find it enjoyable.

Ed  N1UR

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In every contest the computer is running the show, because we do computerized logging, super check partial etc.

In this case we have over dependence on auto sequence, which makes things more complicated rather than easier.

Ria
N2RJ


On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 9:31 PM Edward Sawyer <EdwardS at sbelectronics.com<mailto:EdwardS at sbelectronics.com>> wrote:
Isn't the basic problem that the computer is running the show?  On both ends.  And the operator really is helpless to change that?

It's a very basic statement about what is really happening with this mode.

73

Ed  N1UR

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K4SBZ writes:
>  In any case, it is
> the operator who makes the decision not to log the QSO. No QSOs are
> automatically not logged. And the next action requires the operator to
> manually select another callsign to call or send CQ. There is no chaining
> of contacts.
> The problem is that the operators have become so accustomed to the prompt
> to log a QSO when 73 is sent that they think it is a requirement.

I originally had some thoughts like you. Folks unfamiliar with logging
details or imagining a requirement for a 73 might have been the source of
most of the NIL's.

Then I asked Ed to send me my LCR and I looked it over. Most of the NIL's
given by me or given to me, were with other well-known multi-mode
contesters, not with newbies. So there goes my theory that it was newbies
racking up the NIL's.

It just IS HARDER to figure out whether a QSO was complete or not on
FT4/FT8. All the clues that even a beginning contester learns quickly, as
to whether the QSO is complete, or not complete, are simply lacking in
FT4/FT8. We make our best guess based on what the computer decodes or does
not decode, maybe try an extra cycle or two to see if we can tease out the
confirmation we are looking for, decide whether to log it or not, and
compared to other modes, that guess is several times more fallible.

And it wasn't just newbies. Even for very experienced multi mode
contesters, that guess is several times more fallible in FT4/FT8 than for
other modes.

Adding extra confirmation steps on top of the existing confirmation steps?
That'd just make the NIL rate worse because those are more opportunities
for things to get lost in the noise and QRM!

There are several contests out there (NAQP comes to mind but I'm sure there
are others) where NIL's do not result in any penalty, just the loss of
credit for that Q. I think the WW Digi organizers were wise to chose this
approach in scoring.

Tim N3QE
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