[CQ-Contest] [cwops] [PVRC] WPX CW Signal Quality Concerns

[donovanf at starpower.net]

Hi Art, 


Those of us who aren't pleased with the many new clicky transceivers 
now on the market might decide to vote with our feet and go elsewhere 
if a contest sponsor eliminates signal reports from their exchanges. 


Some other rules changes are actively being considered by some contest 
sponsors than also may also encourage some of us to vote with our feet, 


73 
Frank 
W3LPL 

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From: "Art Searle" <w2nra2 at gmail.com> 
To: donovanf at starpower.net 
Cc: pvrc at mailman.qth.net, cq-contest at contesting.com, "cwops" <cwops at groups.io> 
Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 8:16:09 PM 
Subject: Re: [cwops] [PVRC] [CQ-Contest] WPX CW Signal Quality Concerns 

Frank, 


Would this work? Some contests do not require an RST now. Would more contests be pressured to eliminate the RST? 


73, Art W2NRA 
CWOPS #1955 



On Jun 6, 2020, at 3:52 PM, donovanf at starpower.net wrote: 




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What a great idea Doug! 


What a concept: contesters help to solve our own problems! 




Contest logging software developers could enable use of a "59K" 
signal report. I don't think contest sponsors need to do anything at all 
except enforce their rules, or in the case of ARRL create a new 
unnecessary bandwidth rule which IMHO is long overdue 


73 
Frank 
W3LPL 


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From: "Doug via PVRC" <pvrc at mailman.qth.net> 
To: pvrc at mailman.qth.net 
Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 7:43:18 PM 
Subject: Re: [PVRC] [CQ-Contest] WPX CW Signal Quality Concerns 


Regarding Contest Organizers paying attention to signal quality issues, perhaps we can do something on our own: 
if instead of sending 5NN to a station with offending key clicks, we could send 5N8. The offender will not get credit for the QSO unless he enters 5N8 in his log, right? If enough people do this , the offender will modify his contest behavior, I am certain. 
It would only be fair to advertise this signal report modification in advance of a contest to allow an opportunity for compliance before a contest. 



73, Doug AA3S 
On 6/6/2020 3:14 PM, Frank W3LPL via PVRC wrote: 

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Hi Rob, 


As far as I'm aware, ARRL is completely silent when it comes to 
excessive bandwidth signals by participants in their contests. 



CQWW contest directors talk a good game, but its not clear that they 
actually enforce their excessive bandwidth rules. Perhaps they do... 


For example, from the CQWW DX and WPX contest rules: 


5. Signals with excessive bandwidth (e.g., splatter, clicks) or harmonics on other bands 


73 
Frank 
W3LPL 




----- Original Message -----

From: "Rob Sherwood." <rob at nc0b.com> 
To: donovanf at starpower.net 
Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 6:58:23 PM 
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] WPX CW Signal Quality Concerns 


Hi Frank, 

I had no idea contest directors paid attention to any signal quality issues. 

Rob 
NC0B 





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On Jun 6, 2020, at 12:37 PM, "donovanf at starpower.net" <donovanf at starpower.net> wrote: 


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That's an excellent step forward Bud. There's no excuse for intentional 
key clicks but that's exactly the place where the Japanese manufacturers 
have intentionally put us in 2020. 


The current generation of Japanese transceivers are making key click 
problems much worse than before. Our only hope is that contest 
sponsors improve their rules and enforce them against contesters 
taking advantage of the fast CW rise time menu options in their radios. 


Manufacturers are completely irresponsible with their 4 millisecond 
default CW rise times and egregiously irresponsible with menus 
options that allow users to select 1 and 2 millisecond rise times. 




Kenwood and Yaesu provide completely unacceptable 1 and 2 
millisecond rise time menu options and Icom is almost as bad with 
their 2 millisecond menu option. 


Why are ARRL and the U.S. distributors not communicating with our 
Japanese equipment manufacturers about the problems they're causing 
and enabling? 



73 
Frank 
W3LPL 

----- Original Message -----

From: "cqwpx director" <cqwpx.director at gmail.com> 
To: cq-contest at contesting.com 
Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 4:58:15 PM 
Subject: [CQ-Contest] WPX CW Signal Quality Concerns 

I have received two (2) actionable complaints of signal quality issues 
during WPX CW, which are both under review. 



We will investigate additional signal quality concerns. Please provide the 
call to be reviewed, along with the date, time and band of the observed 
signal quality issue. 



73, 



Bud Trench, AA3B 

Director, CQ WPX Contest 

web: <https://cqwpx.com> https://cqwpx.com 

email: <mailto:director at cqwpx.com> director at cqwpx.com 





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