[CQ-Contest] Merging Social Media and Contesting

Thu Mar 12 12:10:20 EDT 2020

Doug,

Those call signs I prefer to keep for myself, but they were indeed mostly
small pistols who never would “compete” with the honor roll guys.

In general, although I am (was) a great fan of the competitive element of
the hobby, I think the DX-part is getting a bit out of control.

The “pleasure” of working those low band DX-contacts, using WebSDR or Ray’s
(and others) Remote TX stations, must be very limited.

73 Mats RM2D

On Thu, 12 Mar 2020 at 18:58, Doug Renwick <ve5ra at sasktel.net> wrote:

> You nailed it Mats!
>
> Thanks for your posting stating the challenges the team is exposed to. Much
> cheating goes on, and a lot of it is suppressed from view.
>
> I remember a DXpedition I was on where I witnessed one of the team members
> padding the log with his own callsign. Did he get QSL cards for the fake
> contacts - that I don't know.
>
> This statement really concerns me.
> "Attempts to bribe us with money, so we put them in the log, even though we
> clearly did not work them."
> Seeing the callsigns of those stations and the operator who put them in the
> log would be 'jaw dropping'.
>
> Doug/VA5DX
>
> Free Climbing - The ultimate test of strength and technique.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: CQ-Contest
> [mailto:cq-contest-bounces+ve5ra=sasktel.net at contesting.com] On Behalf Of
> Mats Strandberg
> Sent: March-11-20 9:53 PM
> To: wa5rtg at gmail.com
> Cc: Edward Sawyer; cq-contest at contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Merging Social Media and Contesting
>
> You nailed it Stan!
>
> I thought I was having fatigue from TI9A operation in the beginning of
> February, and that should be the reason why I haven't made a single QSO
> as of yet since Feb 7:th.
>
> However a few weeks ago, I was analyzing my impressions during that
> expedition and afterwards.
>
> So much new innovative crap appeared in relation to that operation, all
> generated from modern inventions and so called development of Ham Radio:
>
> Remote Ham Radio cheating (lots of stations using NA commercial remote
> stations to facilitate contacts on bands at times they otherwise would not
> have done.
>
> Emails and Facebook messages complaining that people were wrongly logged
> and requested us to change callsign, time and band, to finally get a new
> one - or a new band slot.
>
> Whining that their beloved fantastic new innovative DX-mode did not
> generate any QSOs due to wrong messages from TI9A - or no synchronization
> of times (as we had no internet and just GPS-USB device). Please be 100%
> sure though, I personally refused that new innovative software to be
> installed on my computer - or to let FTx be sent through my radio....
>
> Attempts to bribe us with money, so we put them in the log, even though we
> clearly did not work them.
>
> I can continue more, but refrain from doing so.
>
> Ham Radio has got very strange in the past years, and my own very personal
> conclusion is that I do not find this exaggerated innovation of Ham Radio
> good at all.
>
> Live streaming is another invented stupidity of Ham Radio that apparently
> are supported by some, as well as probably other innovative development of
> Ham Radio stated above...
>
> My decision, if someone wonders why RM2D is not active anymore, is to take
> a indefinite timeout from Ham Radio, spend time with my family and my other
> hobbies, contemplate on whether Ham Radio was completely destroyed by the
> euphoria of fantastic innovation or not.
>
> As it feels now, as a result of all this so called development of Ham
> Radio... I am feeling completely comfortable being outside this new circus
> show.
>
> I might change my mind and come back to the hobby one day - but guys and
> gals, don't expect it.
>
> You who love distorting Ham Radio with all kinds of innovative whistles and
> bells, please continue. I am proud not to part of that so called
> development. I embrace traditional Ham Radio where Ham Spirit prevailed -
> and no excessive technological innovation euphoria or power/cluster/remote
> cheating set the new standard.
>
> Anyone who still wish to keep contact with me or meet in real life, to
> discuss Real Ham Radio, my email in QRZ.COM is still valid. Maybe we go
> fishing instead?
>
> 73 de RM2D (Mats)
>
>
>
> On Thu, 12 Mar 2020 at 03:03, Stan Stockton <wa5rtg at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Live streaming, whether heavily advertised or not, should not be allowed
> in
> > my opinion..  This gives stations advantage in making the contact to the
> > primary benefit of the one who is streaming. Not to mention the fact that
> > many will come on specifically to hear their own signal via internet.  I
> > say it should be nipped in the bud and the bud is the live streaming.
> >
> > 73... Stan, K5GO/ZF9CW
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 9:30 AM Edward Sawyer <EdwardS at sbelectronics.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Some of you may not be aware of an interesting and different even that
> > > happened last weekend.
> > >
> > > W2RE of well known RHR fame, decided to not only provide live streaming
> > of
> > > his contesting effort, but tied it into the activity he has been doing
> > > since early January which is fully integrating the on air DX activity
> > into
> > > Facebook and youtube channel streaming.  Ray has done a wonderful job
> of
> > > integrating social media with HF on air activity as part of promoting
> RHR
> > > and DXing in general.  You cant argue that this benefits the hobby in
> > > general.
> > >
> > > However, the rules of the contest state that "contacts cannot be
> > solicited
> > > by non-amateur means".  Examples are typically given but those examples
> > are
> > > not exhaustive.  The intent of the rule, I believe, is that you should
> > have
> > > people calling you by the normal discovery process that all of us use.
> > Not
> > > a special method no one else is using.
> > >
> > > Ray, to his credit, was not showing his transmit frequency ion the
> video.
> > > And I personally believe there was no intention of using this
> additional
> > > channel to gain an advantage.  At all.  However, if you look at the
> > > activity generated on the facebook page - a couple of million hits
> since
> > > early January (bravo Ray) - its hard for me to rationalize that there
> is
> > > not a direct pick up of Qs based on this parallel activity.  Casuals,
> > which
> > > are a huge part of running up the Q totals in any major DX contest, may
> > be
> > > listening to the channel and say, I wonder how loud I am verses these
> > other
> > > guys Ray is working.  And look up on the cluster to find Ray's
> frequency
> > > and give a call to hear themselves.  That is exactly "soliciting a
> > contact
> > > by non-amateur means".  Not overtly - like give me a call if you are
> > > watching - but by "advertising" and letting the rest happen on its own.
> > >
> > > I think it is a wonderful idea on its own.  But it does not compete
> > fairly
> > > with those just playing the game by the rules as intended.
> > >
> > > CQ WW used to have an unlimited class, maybe they still do.  Maybe we
> > need
> > > an unlimited class to promote this "multi channel" contesting.  But
> > mixing
> > > it up with normal contesting just doesn't feel right to me.
> > >
> > > What do others think?
> > >
> > > Ed  N1UR
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> On Thu, 12 Mar 2020 at 03:03, Stan Stockton <wa5rtg at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Live streaming, whether heavily advertised or not, should not be allowed
> in
> > my opinion..  This gives stations advantage in making the contact to the
> > primary benefit of the one who is streaming. Not to mention the fact that
> > many will come on specifically to hear their own signal via internet.  I
> > say it should be nipped in the bud and the bud is the live streaming.
> >
> > 73... Stan, K5GO/ZF9CW
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 9:30 AM Edward Sawyer <EdwardS at sbelectronics.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Some of you may not be aware of an interesting and different even that
> > > happened last weekend.
> > >
> > > W2RE of well known RHR fame, decided to not only provide live streaming
> > of
> > > his contesting effort, but tied it into the activity he has been doing
> > > since early January which is fully integrating the on air DX activity
> > into
> > > Facebook and youtube channel streaming.  Ray has done a wonderful job
> of
> > > integrating social media with HF on air activity as part of promoting
> RHR
> > > and DXing in general.  You cant argue that this benefits the hobby in
> > > general.
> > >
> > > However, the rules of the contest state that "contacts cannot be
> > solicited
> > > by non-amateur means".  Examples are typically given but those examples
> > are
> > > not exhaustive.  The intent of the rule, I believe, is that you should
> > have
> > > people calling you by the normal discovery process that all of us use.
> > Not
> > > a special method no one else is using.
> > >
> > > Ray, to his credit, was not showing his transmit frequency ion the
> video.
> > > And I personally believe there was no intention of using this
> additional
> > > channel to gain an advantage.  At all.  However, if you look at the
> > > activity generated on the facebook page - a couple of million hits
> since
> > > early January (bravo Ray) - its hard for me to rationalize that there
> is
> > > not a direct pick up of Qs based on this parallel activity.  Casuals,
> > which
> > > are a huge part of running up the Q totals in any major DX contest, may
> > be
> > > listening to the channel and say, I wonder how loud I am verses these
> > other
> > > guys Ray is working.  And look up on the cluster to find Ray's
> frequency
> > > and give a call to hear themselves.  That is exactly "soliciting a
> > contact
> > > by non-amateur means".  Not overtly - like give me a call if you are
> > > watching - but by "advertising" and letting the rest happen on its own.
> > >
> > > I think it is a wonderful idea on its own.  But it does not compete
> > fairly
> > > with those just playing the game by the rules as intended.
> > >
> > > CQ WW used to have an unlimited class, maybe they still do.  Maybe we
> > need
> > > an unlimited class to promote this "multi channel" contesting.  But
> > mixing
> > > it up with normal contesting just doesn't feel right to me.
> > >
> > > What do others think?
> > >
> > > Ed  N1UR
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > > CQ-Contest at contesting.com
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> > >
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