[CQ-Contest] Running by the numbers
k4sbz.stan at gmail.com
Mon Jul 5 13:40:44 EDT 2021
I have been following this thread with great interest, hoping to improve my
technique. Everyone talks in generalizations about using techniques and
strategies, but so far, running numbers is the only technique described. I
heard that there are "better techniques," but no reference to what they
are. I believe the original post was seeking some specific information that
he could pass on to his operators.
On Mon, Jul 5, 2021 at 11:19 AM <kq2m at kq2m.com> wrote:
> That article was really well written and informative Steve, thank you
> for posting it!
> Each op naturally has their own style and strengths and weaknesses in
> running pileups - and the op should realize and understand that the
> most effective techniques and strategies to be used should differ
> somewhat between running a pileup during a DX contest where there are
> many pileups of small size by many stations vs. running a pileup during
> a DXpedition when thousands of people are focusing their attention on
> working ONE station.
> A good op should endeavor to employ all of their strengths and minimize
> all of their weaknesses while operating - experience with understanding
> and or speaking multiple languages can help, experience operating
> contests is helpful, knowledge of the radio(s) being used and how to
> filter stations and switch between frequencies is important, speed and
> accuracy of working stations by the op can build confidence and patience
> in the stations in the pileup and increase efficiency; likewise, the ops
> own attitude and mental flexibility is central to a good performance
> that benefits the greatest number of people.
> Some ops are more patient and efficient than others; tone of voice and
> speed of speech can and should be altered depending on whether the op is
> trying to calm down the callers in a pileup vs speeding them up and
> moving them around. Some ops are better are "learning on the fly" how
> to improve, others are not. All things being equal you want a more
> resilient and adaptable op to work the more difficult pileups rather
> than giving them an inexperienced op with a rigid manner - this is
> especially true under conditions of physical and/or mental stress, lack
> of sleep, etc.
> The same goes for hearing ability - we are not born with equal abilities
> to process and understand language and accents and we don't all have the
> same audio frequency processing range. This matters in larger and more
> challenging pileups when station are calling on top of each other and
> especially so during qrn, qsb and qrm when the ability and willingness
> to quickly get a piece of a callsign and efficiently turn that into a
> qso is critical to rate and pileup control.
> In the end, regardless of what we are naturally born with, all of these
> mental and physical skills can be developed and hopefully mastered with
> dedication, persistence and a willingness to be flexible in operating
> style - matching the strategies employed to the conditions on the freq.
> A good op, inexperienced or not, will attempt to experiment and try
> different things while operating in an effort to improve efficiency.
> Energy and enthusiasm for working the calling stations; conveyed through
> the pace of speech and tone of voice is also an excellent way to manage
> an "enthusiastic" pileup and gain their cooperation.
> Even if there is an inexperienced op who is overmatched by the
> challenges of running a particular pileup, if they maintain the right
> attitude and keep in mind the "bigger" picture of what to strive for as
> an operator, they will achieve better results and make far more people
> happy, than if they don't.
> Bob, KQ2M
> On 2021-07-04 13:55, Steve Dyer W1SRD via CQ-Contest wrote:
> > Everyone has an opinion here, but Martti Laine put some good words
> > down about pileup management several years ago.
> > Worth a read or re-read.
> > http://www.ncdxf.org/newsletters/2015-AUTUMN.pdf
> > 73,
> > Steve
> > W1SRD
> >> There are better ways than by the numbers.
> >> 73
> >> Ria, N2RJ
> >> Such as? I've heard ideas from other people, but what are your
> >> suggestions?
> >> 73,
> >> Ken, AB1J
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: rjairam at gmail.com <rjairam at gmail.com>
> >> To: Hans Brakob <kzerohb at gmail.com>
> >> Cc: xaxaxaxa yayayaya <cqtestk4xs at aol.com>; cq-contest at contesting.com
> >> <cq-contest at contesting.com>
> >> Sent: Sun, Jul 4, 2021 2:42 am
> >> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Running by the numbers
> >> I have not. I have operated from 9Y beaming Europe though. The W,
> >> particularly W4 wall is real. And I did manage to work one Guam
> >> station in that pile too by the way.
> >> There are better ways than by the numbers.
> >> Care to assume something else? :)
> >> 73
> >> Ria, N2RJ
> >> On Sat, Jul 3, 2021 at 10:39 PM Hans Brakob <kzerohb at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> You’re never been on Guam beaming USA on 15m, over the top of 1.2
> >>> million JA “10 watters”, all needing their first KG6 in the log
> >>> 73, de Hans, KØHB
> >>> “Just a Boy and his Radio”™
> >>> ________________________________
> >>> From: CQ-Contest
> >>> <cq-contest-bounces+kzerohb=gmail.com at contesting.com> on behalf of
> >>> rjairam at gmail.com <rjairam at gmail.com>
> >>> Sent: Saturday, July 3, 2021 3:02:14 PM
> >>> To: xaxaxaxa yayayaya <cqtestk4xs at aol.com>
> >>> Cc: cq-contest at contesting.com <cq-contest at contesting.com>
> >>> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Running by the numbers
> >>> As a rule I never do it. I've had some thick pileups like ARRL
> >>> centennial and 13 colonies. I just never do it. I have other ways to
> >>> thin the pile that to me are more effective.
> >>> 73
> >>> Ria, N2RJ
> >>> On Sat, Jul 3, 2021 at 2:13 PM Bill kollenbaum via CQ-Contest
> >>> <cq-contest at contesting.com> wrote:
> >>>> I've been running by the numbers for years...when necessary. I've
> >>>> done it both in and out of contests.
> >>>> from KH6 fluttery weak EU stations were an issue, as were big USA
> >>>> pileups.
> >>>> Keys to success:
> >>>> Only do it when your rate slows because you can't pull them out fast
> >>>> enough (especially in spotted pileups)
> >>>> Stick to the number. NEVER call someone with the wrong number.
> >>>> You'll be sorry you did.
> >>>> Go quickly through the numbers...maybe two or three for each to
> >>>> avoid getting the natives restless.
> >>>> End with zeroes or nines. The guys get pissed if you stop at five
> >>>> or six etc.
> >>>> Back around 2009 a few guys and I decided to a 1E from my station
> >>>> in KH6 using high power. The pileups were as big as I've ever had
> >>>> and we were forced to go by the numbers. Dozens of modest FD
> >>>> stations all sounded like an S-5 buzz. We did the numbers for hours
> >>>> with that one. However, one of the inexperienced guys broke the
> >>>> cardinal rule and started taking anybody while doing it by the
> >>>> numbers and all hell broke loose.
> >>>> Bill K4XS/KH7XS/V31XX
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