[CQ-Contest] Remote Operating - Cross County

Wed Jul 14 14:31:18 EDT 2021

Randy, CQ makes it their issue. From CQ WW rule XIII. Declaration:
"2) operated according to all rules and regulations that pertain to amateur radio for the station location,”

Also, see General Rules for All Entrants, #5 which points out the same thing.

If it is not legal in the country of the operation, it isn’t legal for CQ WW either.
Pretty much all contests have this same declaration. 

Note: I don’t have a dog in this fight other than to point out the rules. In contesting, we really must abide by them.

73!
Jack, W6FB

> On Jul 14, 2021, at 10:56 AM, Randy Thompson <k5zd at outlook.com> wrote:
> 
> This is not a CQ or ARRL contest issue.  It is a government regulations issue.  It is also one where you may not want to ask the question and get and answer you did not expect...
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: CQ-Contest <cq-contest-bounces+k5zd=outlook.com at contesting.com> On Behalf Of Mark - N5OT
> Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2021 10:10 AM
> To: cq-contest at contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Remote Operating - Cross County
> 
> Good question Ed.
> 
> Mike I think you're stretching that mic cord to the point where it breaks.  I decline to pin a conclusion on the personal opinion of one Canadian radio inspector.
> 
> The real questions for contest operations would be about whether or not the control operator really is present, and whether or not that control operator is actually controlling the operations. Even so, if I let my unlicensed daughter operate, she can't exactly enter the CQWW like that.  If I let some ham from another country who is not licensed in the USA use my station via remote control, not sure that op can enter CQWW.
> 
> Frankly, CQ and ARRL should simply weigh in with their positions on this question and tell us what it is.  I bet there is very little gray to it at all.
> 
> 73 - Mark N5OT
> 
> 
> On 7/14/2021 8:40 AM, Michael Walker wrote:
>> Hi Edward
>> 
>> The challenge is, of course, the regulations have not kept up to 
>> technology.
>> 
>> In Canada, I had an Radio Inspector describe remote HF operation as a 
>> long Mic cord.  There are no laws that say the operator has to be 
>> sitting in the same room as the radio station.  You are still governed 
>> by the laws based on the location of the physical transmitter.
>> 
>> Reciprocal licensing only comes into play if you want to use your 
>> callsign while operating from a foreign country.  It does not apply if 
>> you are guest operating (which is what this is).  In fact, you can be 
>> a guest operator without having a license as long as another correctly 
>> licensed ham is in complete control of the station.
>> 
>> 73, Mike va3mw
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 8:09 AM Edward Sawyer < 
>> EdwardS at advanced-conversion.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Actually I don't believe you are correct.  When you are "in person" 
>>> in the country, you are governed by the reciprocal licensing of the 2 
>>> countries for people visiting.  There is nothing in that normal 
>>> language that discussing doing that virtually for most countries 
>>> (maybe some have added language - not sure).  An internet connection 
>>> does not make you "in the country".  Which is a good thing for tax purposes..
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> This is in fact the question.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Ed  N1UR
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> *From:* Michael Walker <va3mw at portcredit.net>
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 14, 2021 8:03 AM
>>> *To:* Edward Sawyer <EdwardS at advanced-conversion.com>
>>> *Cc:* cq-contest at contesting.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [CQ-Contest] Remote Operating - Cross County
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> This would be the same if I visited from Canada to the US and visited 
>>> someones station and operated a contest from their callsign.  Nothing wrong
>>> with that as long as it doesn't exceed the terms of my license.   Think of
>>> it as a long mic cord.  :)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The question is can I 'keep' the QSO's in my person log?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Good question.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Mike va3mw
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 9:13 PM Edward Sawyer < 
>>> EdwardS at advanced-conversion.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I continue to see postings of scores by a ham outside the US 
>>> operating a US based remote site.  The hams do not have their own US 
>>> callsign and "borrow" someone else's callsign from the US.  I am 
>>> pretty sure this is an illegal operation in the US.  Am I missing 
>>> something?  Its happening pretty much every contest now.
>>> 
>>> Ed  N1UR
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