[CQ-Contest] CQ-Contest Digest, Vol 219, Issue 14
CHUCK CULLIAN
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Tue Mar 16 19:26:35 EDT 2021
I’m not sure how well but I’m doing it at 78.
Chuck
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> 1. Re: The 2021 Unassisted Challenge (Martin, LU5DX)
> 2. Re: The 2021 Unassisted Challenge (Jeff Clarke)
> 3. Re: *** SPAM *** Re: The 2021 Unassisted Challenge
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> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2021 13:49:25 -0300
> From: "Martin, LU5DX" <lu5dx at lucg.com.ar>
> To: k9yc at arrl.net
> Cc: CQ-Contest <cq-contest at contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] The 2021 Unassisted Challenge
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> Hi Jim,
> Totally. It depends on many factors, including the perspective from which
> the op approaches the contest.
> I have mostly entered SOAB (A) starting back in 2006. However, in my case
> SOAB ended up being more fun, since there are a ton less decisions to be
> made.
> In SOAB you either run two neverending pileups if you are fortunate enough
> to be in a good location, or run on radio A and S&P on radio B.
>
> Vy 73,
>
> Mart?n, LU5DX
>
> El dom., 14 mar. 2021 12:13 p. m., Jim Brown <k9yc at audiosystemsgroup.com>
> escribi?:
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>> I think your position on this depends almost entirely on how you are
>> able to contest. My friend Jeff has for many years operated CQWWCW with
>> K4BAI from a fine station in PJ4, where two stations can run the entire
>> contest and a third search for mults with the benefit of the cluster.
>> John and Jeff have often placed at or near the top in the contest.
>>
>> At home, both of us, and K4BAI, operate from far less favored locations,
>> and with modest but decent stations. We can't run through most contests.
>> I'm usually part of an NCCC team, so I'll run high power assisted if
>> contest rules permit. Even if I'm not part of a team, and if the rules
>> permit, I'll probably use the cluster because for me, it's more fun. And
>> for DX contests, whose scoring rules make west coast participants not
>> really in the contest, I'll often run QRP using the cluster to see what
>> I can work.
>>
>> 73, Jim K9YC
>>
>>> On 3/13/2021 11:48 AM, Martin, LU5DX wrote:
>>> You are totally wrong Jeff.
>>> Operating using the DX Cluster takes a lot more skills than just running
>>> two pileups without any additional information.
>>> I think I don't need to explain why, since your way of thinking reduces
>> the
>>> use of cluster to just pointing and clicking.
>>
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> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2021 13:32:26 -0400
> From: Jeff Clarke <ku8e at ku8e.com>
> To: cq-contest at contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] The 2021 Unassisted Challenge
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> Martin,
>
> I don't think SOAB is dominated by 2BSIQ. My guess is only a handful
> (mostly the top 5 in each SOAB HP category) operate this way. The rest
> are operating the traditional way or SO2R where they are tuning for
> stations to work on a 2nd radio. You also need to be a special type of
> person to do 2BSIQ. I don't think an older person could handle it as
> it's very demanding. I don't even think I could do it at 60 years old!
>
> Jeff
>
>> On 3/13/2021 06:23 PM, Martin, LU5DX wrote:
>> Well, no.
>> I mean not in general.
>> If you are to compete in SOAB now dominate by 2BSIQ, looking for mults is
>> no longer part of the equation. Eventually you would pass mults to one of
>> your two, or three or n radios.
>> Mults have become just a factor proportional to the QSO total.
>> CT1BOH explains it very well.
>> The same station with the same op would have to figure out very well to do
>> to outperform his SOAB score using the DX Cluster. You have to evaluate
>> exactly who to call, when to call without hurting your overall performance.
>> Strategies vary a lot from region to region. But using DX Cluster is not
>> easier than not using it.
>> I took a break from SOAB (A) at LP1H and entered SOAB from CE3CT 2013/2014
>> CQ WW DX CW. SOAB is by far more relaxed and straight forward than SOAB
>> (A).
>>
>> To me, the problem about treating them as different categories is about the
>> imposibility of proper results adjudication at all times.
>>
>> Vy 73,
>>
>> Mart?n, LU5DX
>>
>>
>> El s?b., 13 mar. 2021 6:16 p. m., rjairam at gmail.com <rjairam at gmail.com>
>> escribi?:
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>>> It takes different skills, not a lot more skills.
>>>
>>> Contesting is not simply a game of running. It may be that way in some
>>> parts of the world due to the ability to sustain high run rates but in
>>> many places you do need to hunt for multipliers to compete
>>> effectively. With spotting that becomes dramatically easier than
>>> without spotting assistance.
>>>
>>> Fact is, they are different games and should be treated as such.
>>>
>>> 73
>>> Ria, N2RJ
>>>
>>> On Sat, Mar 13, 2021 at 2:57 PM Martin, LU5DX <lu5dx at lucg.com.ar> wrote:
>>>> You are totally wrong Jeff.
>>>> Operating using the DX Cluster takes a lot more skills than just running
>>>> two pileups without any additional information.
>>>> I think I don't need to explain why, since your way of thinking reduces
>>> the
>>>> use of cluster to just pointing and clicking.
>>>>
>>>> 73,
>>>>
>>>> Martin, LU5DX
>>>>
>>>> El s?b., 13 mar. 2021 1:43 p. m., Jeff Clarke <ku8e at ku8e.com> escribi?:
>>>>
>>>>> Many newer contesters don't know any other way to operate a contest
>>> than
>>>>> operating assisted. They spend every contest just pointing and clicking
>>>>> on spots, which doesn't really involve any skills at all. I see many
>>>>> posts on 3830 of those who comment they did no S&P at all and make all
>>>>> their QSO's by clicking on spots in the band map. If you have a nice
>>>>> station you can do pretty good operating this way. You can usually have
>>>>> a higher score than someone that is a more skillful operator but has a
>>>>> lesser station. Those of us who don't like this way of operating are
>>>>> often criticized as being not "keeping up with the times" or old
>>> fashioned.
>>>>> I can totally understand why Bud thinks assisted is the way to go. AA3B
>>>>> along with others such as K3WW, K5ZD, N3RD and others are all
>>>>> accomplished SO2R operators, like to operate assisted and have nice
>>>>> contest stations. Adding assistance allows them to maximize their
>>>>> scores. There are other accomplished operators such as N6MJ, KL9A and
>>>>> N2NT and others that aren't really into operating assisted. So why
>>>>> should a single person decide that everyone should operate the way they
>>>>> prefer to operate? I run the Georgia QSO Party and I make all my rule
>>>>> decisions based on feedback I get and not my personal preference. There
>>>>> are rules I want to change but I don't because of that feedback I get.
>>>>> Bud heard lots of feedback on this reflector that opposed this rule
>>>>> change but chose to ignore it and go with his personal preferences.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've been a contester for many years and frankly I'm turned off buy
>>> some
>>>>> of the current rules in contests. The "skill" factor doesn't really
>>> seem
>>>>> to matter as much as it did in the past. Many of you that have been
>>>>> around awhile before assistance and SO2R came about might remember back
>>>>> in the day when those who had the highest contest scores were those who
>>>>> made the right decisions such as "what band should I be running on" or
>>>>> "should I take a break right now". Those days are gone because with
>>>>> today's assistive technology you don't have to make that decision.
>>>>>
>>>>> Either way I will still operate contests (especially CW) because that's
>>>>> what I've done my entire amateur radio life. I'm not so concerned about
>>>>> winning anything because I'm out gunned. It's just for the love of
>>>>> contesting I have.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jeff KU8E
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 3/12/2021 09:41 PM, N4ZR wrote:
>>>>>> I had missed this change in the WPX rules, which I deplore, and I'm
>>>>>> glad that N6MJ et al have taken up the cudgels. In my opinion it
>>>>>> never made any sense to merge assisted and unassisted. Even though I
>>>>>> largely operate assisted, the distinction is real and should not be
>>>>>> ignored. If the best operators went assisted, they would definitely
>>>>>> win, because S&P rates (when dueling 2-band CQs slow down) and
>>>>>> multiplier totals will definitely show an effect. Let those who want
>>>>>> one or the other make their choice - don't pretend there is no
>>>>>> practical difference.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 73, Pete N4ZR
>>>>>> Check out the new Reverse Beacon Network
>>>>>> web server at <http://beta.reversebeacon.net>.
>>>>>> For spots, please use your favorite
>>>>>> "retail" DX cluster.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/12/2021 6:23 PM, Ken K6MR wrote:
>>>>>>> This is wonderful! Many have talked about doing something like
>>> this,
>>>>>>> but you have grabbed the ring!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you and I look forward to the results. Real contesting!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ken K6MR
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: Daniel Craig<mailto:unassistedchallenge at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2021 10:05
>>>>>>> To: cq-contest at contesting.com<mailto:cq-contest at contesting.com>
>>>>>>> Subject: [CQ-Contest] The 2021 Unassisted Challenge
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We invite U.S. Amateurs to participate in the 2021 Unassisted
>>> Challenge.
>>>>>>> The Challenge is open to Amateurs in the lower 48 States who enter
>>>>>>> the 2021
>>>>>>> CQ WPX SSB and/or CW contests in the single-op category but do NOT
>>> use
>>>>>>> spotting assistance. Even though CQ WPX no longer recognizes
>>> separate
>>>>>>> unassisted categories, we feel the need to continue having such
>>>>>>> categories.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To enter, email your Cabrillo log (as submitted to CQ WPX) to
>>>>>>> unassistedchallenge at gmail.com. Please indicate from which CQ Zone
>>> you
>>>>>>> operated in the text of the message. We also encourage you to post
>>> your
>>>>>>> score to www.3830scores.com<http://www.3830scores.com> and select
>>> the
>>>>>>> unassisted overlay.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> High Power and Low Power winners in CQ Zones 3, 4, and 5 will
>>> receive a
>>>>>>> plaque (six plaques available in each event). We encourage
>>> operators
>>>>>>> throughout the world to participate as single-op unassisted also,
>>> but
>>>>>>> plaques are only available for the lower 48.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Full details and rules coming soon! Send any questions to
>>>>>>> unassistedchallenge at gmail.com. Please forward to your friends and
>>>>>>> clubs!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Axel KI6RRN
>>>>>>> Dan N6MJ
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Note: the Unassisted Challenge is not affiliated with CQ or CQ WPX.
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> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2021 15:34:25 +0100 (CET)
> From: Albert Crespo <f5vhj at orange.fr>
> To: dimitri <cosson-dimitri at bbox.fr>
> Cc: cq-contest <cq-contest at contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] *** SPAM *** Re: The 2021 Unassisted
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> These are the 2021 categories- No seperate assisted or non assisted classes. Simple.
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> VI. ENTRY CATEGORIES:
> Use of QSO alerting assistance is permitted in all categories with the exception of the Single Operator Classic Overlay.
> A. Single Operator Categories:One person (the operator) performs all operating and logging functions. There is no limit on band changes. Only one transmitted signal is permitted at any time.
> 1. Single Operator High Power (All Band or Single Band):Total output power must not exceed?1500 watts.
> 2. Single Operator Low Power (All Band or Single Band):Total output power must not exceed?100 watts.
> 3. Single Operator QRP (All Band or Single Band):?Total output power must not exceed?5 watts.
> B. Single Operator Overlay Categories:?Any Single Operator entrant who meets the requirements may ALSO enter one of the categories shown below by adding the appropriate CATEGORY-OVERLAY line in the Cabrillo log file header. Overlay category entries will be listed separately in the results, scored as All Bands, and grouped by High Power and Low Power (includes QRP).
> 1. Tribander/Single Element (TB-WIRES):?During the contest an entrant shall use only one (1) tribander (any type, with a single feed line from the transmitter to the antenna) for 10, 15, and 20 meters and single-element antennas on 40, 80, and 160 meters. Separate receiving antennas are not permitted in this category.
> 2. Rookie (ROOKIE):?To enter this category the operator must have been licensed as a radio amateur three (3) years or less on the date of the contest. The date the operator was first licensed?must?be indicated in the SOAPBOX field. An operator who has won a plaque in any previously published CQ contest is not eligible for the Rookie category.
> 3. Classic Operator (CLASSIC):?The entrant will use only one radio and may operate up to 24 of the 36 hours ? off times are a minimum of 60 minutes during which no QSO is logged. If the log shows more than 24 hours of operation, only the first 24 hours will be counted for the overlay score. Use of QSO alerting assistance of any kind is prohibited (see rule IX.B) for the duration of contest. Receiving while transmitting is also prohibited.
> C. Multi-Operator Categories (All Band only):?More than one person can contribute to the final score during the official contest period. Select category based on number of transmitted signals or number of locations
> 1. Single-Transmitter (MULTI-ONE):?Only one transmitted signal is permitted at any time. A maximum of ten (10) band changes may be made in any clock hour (00 through 59 minutes). For example, a change from 20 meters to 40 meters and then back to 20 meters counts as two band changes. Use a single serial number sequence for the entire log.
> a. High Power.?Total output power of each transmitted signal must not exceed?1500 watts.
> b. Low Power.?Total output power of each transmitted signal must not exceed?100 watts.
> 2. Two-Transmitter (MULTI-TWO):?A maximum of two transmitted signals is permitted at any time on two different bands. Both transmitters may work any station. A station may only be worked once per band regardless of which transmitter is used.?The log must indicate which transmitter made each QSO?(column 81 of CABRILLO QSO template for CQ contests). Each transmitter may make a maximum of eight (8) band changes in any clock hour (00 through 59 minutes). Use a separate serial number sequence for each band. Total output power of each transmitted signal must not exceed?1500 watts.
> 3. Multi-Transmitter (MULTI-UNLIMITED):?A maximum of six transmitted signals, one per band, at any one time. Six bands may be activated simultaneously. Use a separate serial number sequence for each band. Total output power of each transmitted signal must not exceed?1500 watts.
> 4. Multi-Transmitter Distributed (MULTI-DISTRIBUTED):?A maximum of six transmitted signals, one per band at any one time, from stations in different locations. All equipment (transmitters, receivers, amplifiers, antennas, etc.) must be located in same DXCC entity and CQ Zone, including remotely controlled equipment. Six bands may be activated simultaneously. Use a separate serial number sequence for each band. Total output power of each transmitted signal must not exceed?1500 watts. The Cabrillo log header must include the following lines: CATEGORY-OPERATOR: MULTI-OP, CATEGORY-STATION: DISTRIBUTED. Rules X.E, X.F and X.G do not apply to this category.
> D. Checklog:?Entry submitted to assist with the log checking. The entry will not have a score in the results and the log will not be made public.
> VII. AWARDS:
> A single-band log will be eligible for a single-band award only. To be eligible for an award, a Single Operator station must show a minimum of 4 hours of operation. Multi-operator stations must operate a minimum of 8 hours.
> A. Plaques?are awarded to recognize top performance in a number of categories. View the current list of plaques and sponsors at .
> Only one plaque will be awarded per entry. A station winning a World plaque will not be considered for a sub-area award. That award will be given to the runner-up for that area if the number of entries justifies the award.
> B. Certificates:?Electronic certificates will be made available for download for everyone that submits an on-time entry.
> ?
> ?
> ?
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>> Message of 03/13/21 21:27 > From: "dimitri" > To: "Alexander Avramov" > Copy to: "K7LXC via CQ -Contest "> Subject: *** SPAM *** Re: [CQ-Contest] The 2021 Unassisted Challenge >> Hi Alex, Where did you saw that you must operate assisted ... ??? Unassisted operators have often higher score than assisted ones so where is your problem? 73 by Dimitri F4DSK On March 13, 2021 at 20:56, at 20:56, Alexander Avramov wrote:> This announcement made my day today! Axel and Dan, thank you! >>> The CQ WPX is not my favorite but I did enjoy it a lot and always have> put> a full effort into it. I won 6 times in the recent years and set the US> SOABHP record 4 times in a row. I wasn't thinking of stopping there but> the> recent elimination of the SOAB category made me scratch it off my list. > I> do not like operating assisted and see no point in doing something that> I> do not enjoy. Until today, the WPX was dead for me. >>> Axel and Dan, again, thank you for bringing the real WPX back to life! >
> Please, do let me know if I could help with anything. >>> Rest in peace CQ WPX, long live WPX challenge! >>> Alex, LZ4AX> _______________________________________________> CQ-Contest mailing list> CQ-Contest at contesting.com> http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/cq-contest _______________________________________________ CQ-Contest mailing list CQ-Contest @ contesting.com http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/cq-contest
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