[CQ-Contest] Spoofed Self spots

Tue Nov 2 13:52:27 EDT 2021

I disagree.  This makes an internet connection required to be competitive.  If you restrict this to Assisted and Multi-Op categories it would be less damaging.

I believe there is room for competition to be done on the radio - internet connections should not be required for competitive single operators.

73,

Mark, KD4D

On November 2, 2021 9:03:47 AM EDT, Stanley Zawrotny <k4sbz.stan at gmail.com> wrote:
>The solution has already been proposed—allow self-spotting. Put SSB on a par with the CW RBN. No messy, long-drawn out technical effort required. Just say that it’s OK.
>
>Stan, K4SBZ
>
>"Real radio bounces off the sky."
>
>> On Nov 2, 2021, at 8:43 AM, John Dorr <cqk1ar at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Good morning,
>> 
>> Just so everyone knows, the CQWW Contest Committee is taking this issue
>> very seriously and is investigating the issue in great detail via some very
>> smart network guys on my team. These spots will have no impact on anyone's
>> score. However, as always, we will continue to review other cases where
>> self-spotting is obvious and beyond what has occurred in this particular
>> situation.
>> 
>> 73, John, K1AR
>> CQ WW Contest Director
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 8:03 AM Steve Dyer via CQ-Contest <
>>> cq-contest at contesting.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I really hope we don't have to start authenticating to clusters. The
>>> hassle to the many global users seems to far exceed the gravity of the
>>> problem. Every piece of software that uses clusters would have to
>>> implement whatever scheme was used. It would be a mess.
>>> Steve
>>> W1SRD
>>> 
>>>> On 11/1/2021 18:10, K3IB Peter wrote:
>>>> Identifying bad guys by IP addresses is not a thing any more.
>>>> 
>>>> I can change my home IP address at will.  Good luck getting Comcast to
>>> tell you what IP address was on my router 3 days ago.
>>>> 
>>>> I can also attack from dozens of countries around the world by using one
>>> of any number of inexpensive VPN services.
>>>> 
>>>> The best way forward is for clusters to start authenticating their users
>>> with a simple, widely available mechanism like SQRL.
>>>> 
>>>> -peter K3IB
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> IIRC, maybe 20 years ago Dave, K1TTT did some pioneering work in
>>>>> identifying self-spotters, I think through the use of IP addresses  It
>>>>> may be that the same techniques can be used today - or maybe they can at
>>>>> least demonstrate that these were *not* self-spots. Dave?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 73, Pete N4ZR
>>>>> Check out the new Reverse Beacon Network
>>>>> web server at<http://beta.reversebeacon.net>.
>>>>> For spots, please use your favorite
>>>>> "retail" DX cluster.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 11/1/2021 2:46 PM, Michael Walker wrote:
>>>>>> Wow, what a surprise.  I just went and looked at my cluster and sure
>>>>>> enough.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I was running unassisted and I see that I spotted myself twice.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> This is not good and the only reason is for someone to ensure that the
>>>>>> cluster logging can't be trusted.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Mike va3mw
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> VA3MW-7>
>>>>>>    7215.1  VA3MW       31-Oct-2021 2319Z
>>>>>> <VA3MW>
>>>>>>    7215.1  VA3MW       31-Oct-2021 2313Z
>>>>>> <WT8WV>
>>>>>>    7215.1  VA3MW       31-Oct-2021 2305Z  LSB
>>>>>> <N2YO>
>>>>>>    7214.9  VA3MW       31-Oct-2021 2252Z  LSB
>>>>>> <N4SS>
>>>>>>    7215.0  VA3MW       31-Oct-2021 2249Z
>>>>>>   <W3MR>
>>>>>>    7215.0  VA3MW       31-Oct-2021 2244Z  LSB
>>>>>> <WU9D>
>>>>>>    7215.0  VA3MW       31-Oct-2021 2237Z
>>>>>>   <N3GT>
>>>>>>    7215.0  VA3MW       31-Oct-2021 2235Z  LSB
>>>>>>   <AC3LZ>
>>>>>>    7215.1  VA3MW       31-Oct-2021 2211Z
>>>>>> <VA3MW>
>>>>>>    7215.1  VA3MW       31-Oct-2021 2205Z
>>>>>> <KE1IH>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 1, 2021 at 1:39 PM Dave K2XR via CQ-Contest <
>>>>>> cq-contest at contesting.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> GM contesters.  Hope you all are resting well.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> In the FRC chat room we have been discussing the abundance of apparent
>>>>>>> self spots during the contest.  Many of our participants who run had
>>>>>>> their callsigns spoofed and spots of themselves made. It seems to have
>>>>>>> happened to enough of us that the question was posed...   'Was it just
>>>>>>> FRC that was targeted, or was it all contesters? "
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Looking on this reflector as well as the 3830 reflector, it didn't
>>> take
>>>>>>> long to see that it wasn't just FRC.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> http://lists.contesting.com/archives//html/3830/2021-11/msg00174.html
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Curious to know who else out there was targeted.  The were about 10
>>>>>>> cases in the chat room I was in this AM, and suspect it might have
>>> been
>>>>>>> a huge problem.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Is there a way for the sysops to track down the origin ?     I would
>>>>>>> think so, but am not positive.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> It would be great to nail the perpetrator, and some of us are
>>> demanding
>>>>>>> it if it is all possible.  Kind of ruins everything for some.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>       Dave   K2XR      Frankford Radio Club
>>>>>>> 
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