[CQ-Contest] CQ WW DX SSB Midwest vs East Coast

Richard F DiDonna NN3W richnn3w at gmail.com
Thu Nov 11 01:59:29 EST 2021 

The distance from OM2VL to 9A1P is about 215 miles. If your contention is
that those two locations are not comparable, then -no- QTHs are comparable
- ever.  OM2VLs QTH is also 265 miles from DL2ARD who beat both OM2VL and
9A1P.  Are we to consider DL2ARD's QTH to be distinct as well?

215 miles is the distance between Washington DC and New York or Washington
DC and Raleigh.  I certainly would consider them to be more or less in the
same area.

73 Rich NN3W

On Wed, Nov 10, 2021 at 9:43 PM OM3RM <om3rm at om-power.com> wrote:

> Dimitry,
> 9A is for us not central Europe. Easy to compare:
> OM2VL   4x 6 ele. Vertical stack ( highest antenna on 33 m ) and second
> direction 6 el. Yagi   2734 QSO's
> 9A1P    1 Yagi antenna on small 12 m tower.  3193 QSO's
> That is not between chair and the transceiver !  Of course , both are top
> contest OP's!
>
> 73! de Tibi OM3RM
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: CQ-Contest On Behalf Of dimitri cosson
> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2021 9:54 PM
> To: Weisz László <ha3nu at tolna.net>; cq-contest at contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] CQ WW DX SSB Midwest vs East Coast
>
> Hi Lacy,
>
> You're right, it's often better to be in Western EU to work US but it's
> better for central EU to work Asia/JA so...
>
> You should read the 9A1UN's comment operating 9A1P on 15m during the last
> CQWW SSB ( https://www.3830scores.com/showrumor.php?arg=OjaJz1sgqgcaH )
> or look the claimed scores of Multi-Single High, the Multi-Op
> Multi-Transmitters, the Single-Op low All bands, the Single-Op High all
> bands or any other single bands categories (
> https://cqww.com/raw.htm?mode=ph ) to see from where are most of the EU
> top scorers.
>
> As says a friend who his now retired of contest but who was a top scorer
> in Single-Op and Multi-Op categories in the 90's and 2000's : "the problem
> is often between the chair and the transceiver".
>
> GL in the CW part
> 73 de Dimitri F4DSK
>
>
> Le 10 nov. 2021 à 17:36, à 17:36, "Weisz László via CQ-Contest" <
> cq-contest at contesting.com> a écrit:
> >GM,
> >
> >MW vs East Coast
> >
> >Here in Eu we have the same situation: West Coast (EU) vs. Central Eu.
> >I
> >agree with Steve N2IC and Barry W2UP: one from Central Eu is not able
> >to reach the same results with a big monobander like TM3Z with his  3el
> >on
> >
> >21MHz. Eg. in case we have a 6 hours opening for US that means only
> >about 30 mins to west coast (but in good conditions only) and of course
> >
> >G/EI/F/EA/CT etc. friends have7-8 hours opening in the same time with
> >much bigger West Coast opening .  Same situation with North vs. South.
> >Dimitri: "the propagation in the real world..." is the propagation what
> >
> >you have in France but not in Central/East Eu.
> >
> >We have to live together with this fact.
> >
> >73 Lacy HA3NU/HG3R
> >
> >
> >On 2021. 11. 09. 21:18, dimitri cosson wrote:
> >> Steve,
> >>
> >> <<<
> >> 1) How do you know that K1TTT was on 15 meters at that time ?
> >> 2) Now run the same experiment at 1200Z in any DX contest.
> >> 1) Because the K1TTT's skimmer was listening 40 to 12m. Have a look
> >on  reversebeacon.net and read the list of skimmers online (and on what
> >bands)...
> >> 2) Read again the full Barry's e.mail
> >>
> >> 73 de Dimitri F4DSK
> >>
> >> Le 9 nov. 2021 à 20:42, à 20:42, Steve London <n2icarrl at gmail.com> a
> >écrit:
> >>> 1) How do you know that K1TTT was on 15 meters at that time ?
> >>> 2) Now run the same experiment at 1200Z in any DX contest.
> >>>
> >>> Dim, you are welcome to guest operate from my QTH in New Mexico in
> >any
> >>> DX
> >>> contest. I have an excellent, hilltop QTH with monoband yagis on
> >10-40,
> >>> a
> >>> rotatable dipole at 110' on 80 (with an effective height of 300'
> >>> towards
> >>> Europe), and an elevated vertical on 160. I think you would find the
> >>> experience to be humbling.
> >>>
> >>> 73,
> >>> Steve, N2IC
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> You're missing something Barry : the propagation in the real
> >world...
> >>>> Here is a RTTY test, using 100W, 3 L, on 15m. Look the RBN reports
> >>> and
> >>>> form where it comes from :
> >>>>
> >>>> OE9GHV OH8FKK   7043.0  RTTY CQ 19 dB  45 bps 1706z  09 Nov
> >>>> WZ7I        TM3Z      21086.5  RTTY CQ   10 dB  45 bps 1659z  09
> >Nov
> >>>> WE9V      TM3Z      21086.4  RTTY CQ  20 dB  45 bps 1658z  09 Nov
> >>>> KO7SS    TM3Z      21086.5. RTTY CQ   25 dB  45 bps 1658z  09 Nov
> >>>> W6YX.   TM3Z      21086.5  RTTY CQ  20 dB 45 bps 1658z  09 Nov
> >>>> K1TTT.   TM3Z      14099.1  RTTY CQ  22 dB 45 bps 1657z  09 Nov
> >>>>
> >>>> 17.00z, it's now dark in central France, and not a single dB heard
> >by
> >>>> K1TTT in MA on 15m, just a little 10db from PA and... west coast.
> >>>> Remember you, humans think that it's always greener in the
> >neighbor's
> >>>> meadow
> >>>>
> >>>> 73 de Dimitri F4DSK / TM3Z
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Le 9 nov. 2021 à 04:13, à 04:13, Barry W2UP <w2up.co at gmail.com> a
> >>> écrit:
> >>>>> You guys are missing the most important point: the duration of the
> >>>>> opening to Europe.  That's where QSO points come from, because
> >>>>> there's virtually an endless supply of Europeans to work.
> >>>>> Start with the high bands.  Sunset in Europe is a constant for US
> >>> ops.
> >>>>> However sunRISE is the key.  Here are some examples of sunrise
> >times
> >>>>> for
> >>>>> Nov 25:
> >>>>> Jonesport, ME 1140Z
> >>>>> Philadelphia, PA 1157Z
> >>>>> Pittsburgh, PA 1218Z (near LR)
> >>>>> Chicago, IL 1252Z
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Let's assume the band opens at sunrise and a decent station is
> >>> making 3
> >>>>> QSOs/minute with EU.  Jonesport has already made 60 QSOs as the
> >band
> >>> is
> >>>>> just opening in Phila.  And so on.  And of course, the opening is
> >>> also
> >>>>> stronger and deeper for the shorter paths.  The EU high band
> >opening
> >>>>> closes
> >>>>> at the same time for everyone, as darkness crosses the EU
> >continent.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Then there are the low bands.  Sunset is earlier in Jonesport, so
> >>>>> 40/80/160m opening is longer because everyone loses EU at the same
> >>> time
> >>>>> as
> >>>>> the sun rises across EU.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Barry W2UP
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >
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