[CQ-Contest] UPDATE: CQ WW DX SSB Midwest vs East Coast
WW3S
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Thu Nov 11 13:06:14 EST 2021
Ummm …..there are only 40 zones in CQWW…..maybe thats the problem….
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> On Nov 11, 2021, at 12:57 PM, Ray Mikula <rmikula at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
> I’m the original poster of this question and since there has been so much response I thought I would post more details and what I’ve learned so far.
>
> To summarize my prior posting. I live in the Chicago area and my fellow ham friend lives in the Richmond VA area. We both worked CQ WW DX SSB contest. Our skill levels are similar, we both ran about 1KW, we both exclusively did S&P, both spent a similar amount of time on the air (maybe 15 hours). We both have tri band beams on the top of our house although his maybe 10 feet further up.
>
> We ended up with almost identical scores around 230,000 however, I has more contacts and he did hugely better with the multipliers. I was surprised because I was focused very heavily on multipliers.
>
> I used N1MM and VE7CC as my cluster. Friday night I worked 40m. Saturday mid morning I started on 15m, switched to 10m the 20m and then bounced between the 3 bands. I was very reliant on spots which probably accounted for 90% of my qsos. I had, what for me was a very good rate. My technique was to sort multipliers by beam heading. Pick mults off and then rotate the beam a bit.
>
> I spoke with my friend and he was heavily focused on working his way up and down the band. I would guess that 80% of his contacts were based from going up and down the band and maybe 15% were based on spots. He did not keep track of multipliers other than 2 or 3 that were considered difficult.
>
> The end result is as follows;
>
> For me in Chicago area:
> 40m 66 qso 17 zones 37 cty
> 20m 103 qso 24 zones 50 cty
> 15m 133 qso 22 zones 61 cty
> 10m 49 qso 11 zones 21 cty
>
> For friend in Richmond VA;
> 40m 32 qso 31 zones 32 cty
> 20m 29 qso 27 zones 29 cty
> 15m 73 qso 73 zones 73 cty
> 10m 63 qso 61 zones 63 cty
>
> What jumps out for me is the difference in number of more zones worked from Richmond VA especially on 10m and 15m. 3X more on 15 meters and 5X more on 10 meters. And I (Chicago) was focused on multipliers.
>
> The difference on 40m is partially due to antenna as I run an OCF dipole and he has a rotating dipole.
>
> So, what I’ve been trying to sort out is why the big difference in multipliers. What part is due to propagation, what part might be due to various multipliers not getting spotted and what is due to my strategy of focusing on spots.
>
> Thanks to all that have replied either directly or via the forum. Lots of good insights!
>
> Thanks and good contesting!
>
> 73,
> Ray
> W9NZ
>
>
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> 1. Re: Workiing Split in Contests (Richard F DiDonna NN3W)
> 2. "Is there a way a station could enter a "Block All Spots of
> Me" to the skimmer network?" (ko7ss at yahoo.com)
> 3. RE?: {CQ-Contest] CQ WW DX SSB Midwest vs East Coast
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> 4. Re: {CQ-Contest] CQ WW DX SSB Midwest vs East Coast
> (dimitri cosson)
> 5. Re: Workiing Split in Contests (Jim Brown)
> 6. Re: {CQ-Contest] CQ WW DX SSB Midwest vs East Coast (Steve London)
> 7. Re: {CQ-Contest] CQ WW DX SSB Midwest vs East Coast
> (dimitri cosson)
> 8. NS RTTY this Thursday, 11 Nov in NA DON'T FORGET THE TIME
> CHANGE! (Ken K6MR)
> 9. Re: {CQ-Contest] CQ WW DX SSB Midwest vs East Coast (Weisz L?szl?)
> 10. Interest in CQWW - analysis (Mark - N5OT)
> 11. Re: "Is there a way a station could enter a "Block All Spots
> of Me" to the skimmer network?" (ktfrog007 at aol.com)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2021 08:31:19 -0500
> From: Richard F DiDonna NN3W <richnn3w at gmail.com>
> To: jpescatore at aol.com
> Cc: "cq-contest at contesting.com" <cq-contest at contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Workiing Split in Contests
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> Split is still done on 40 meters and 80 meters owing to the mismatch in
> frequency allocations between R2 and R1/R3. Split was done a -little- at
> the bottom of cycles 23 and 24 on 20 meters but that was met with some
> pretty strong objections by those claiming that it took up two frequencies
> (especially in CQWW).
>
> 73 Rich NN3W
>
>> On Tue, Nov 9, 2021 at 7:27 AM K3TN via CQ-Contest <
>> cq-contest at contesting.com> wrote:
>>
>> I don't think working split will work well in any major contest.
>> Almost inevitably, someone will start CQing on the listening frequency (or
>> someone already was listening on that chosen listening frequency.) He will
>> hear the other stations calling, think they are calling him, call them and
>> act as QRM on your listening freq. If he is loud enough, he will get
>> spotted, start working stations that come to the freq and you will start
>> hearing stations calling him, but think they are calling you!
>> This is what pretty much seems to happen just about any time a DXpedition
>> goes split during a major contest where the bands are crowded. Might work
>> in QSO parties for mobiles - when mobiles hit new counties, the pileups are
>> short but awesome!
>> VY0ERC did a great job of working the pileup at his speed and most of the
>> NT stations over the years have evolved strategies for just QSYing when the
>> pileup gets out of control.
>> The worst part of those pileups are the stations calling who couldn't hear
>> the target on a clear frequency. Is there a way a station could enter a
>> "Block All Spots of Me" to the skimmer network?
>> 73 John K3TN
>>
>>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2021 14:19:26 +0000 (UTC)
> From: "ko7ss at yahoo.com" <ko7ss at yahoo.com>
> To: Reflector Cq-contest <cq-contest at contesting.com>
> Subject: [CQ-Contest] "Is there a way a station could enter a "Block
> All Spots of Me" to the skimmer network?"
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> This option doesn't exist for the RBN as a whole, but at the individual skimmer level it
> is easy. One of the user defined parameters is "Blocked Calls" to prevent a skimmer
> from self spotting the owner in a contest.
>
> One older boy and his radio sent me an E-mail a few years ago asking to not be
> spotted on my skimmers and I set it up for him.
>
> Anyone else? I can send the list to the RBN ops group if desired....
>
> 73, Bill KO7SS
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2021 18:17:14 +0100
> From: "outlook_5B91DD2A0B96EAEA at outlook.com"
> <dimitri.cosson at gmail.com>
> To: AB1J via CQ-Contest <cq-contest at contesting.com>
> Cc: Barry W2UP <w2up.co at gmail.com>
> Subject: [CQ-Contest] RE?: {CQ-Contest] CQ WW DX SSB Midwest vs East
> Coast
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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2021 19:41:17 +0100
> From: dimitri cosson <dimitri.cosson at gmail.com>
> To: Barry W2UP <w2up.co at gmail.com>
> Cc: john at kk9a.com,AB1J via CQ-Contest <cq-contest at contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] {CQ-Contest] CQ WW DX SSB Midwest vs East
> Coast
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> Hi Barry,
>
>
> Barry, W2UP wrote :
> <<<You guys are missing the most important point: the duration of the opening
> to Europe.? That's where QSO points come from, because there's virtually an
> endless supply of Europeans to work.
> Start with the high bands.? Sunset in Europe is a constant for US ops.
> [...]
> Let's assume the band opens at sunrise and a decent station is making 3
> QSOs/minute with EU.? Jonesport has already made 60 QSOs as the band is
> just opening in Phila.? And so on.? And of course, the opening is also
> stronger and deeper for the shorter paths.? The EU high band opening closes
> at the same time for everyone, as darkness crosses the EU continent.>>>
>
>
> You're missing something Barry : the propagation in the real world...
> Here is a RTTY test, using 100W, 3 L, on 15m. Look the RBN reports and form where it comes from :
>
> OE9GHV OH8FKK?? 7043.0? RTTY CQ 19 dB? 45 bps 1706z? 09 Nov
> WZ7I??????? TM3Z????? 21086.5? RTTY CQ?? 10 dB? 45 bps 1659z? 09 Nov
> WE9V????? TM3Z????? 21086.4? RTTY CQ? 20 dB? 45 bps 1658z? 09 Nov
> KO7SS??? TM3Z????? 21086.5. RTTY CQ ? 25 dB? 45 bps 1658z? 09 Nov
> W6YX.?? TM3Z????? 21086.5? RTTY CQ? 20 dB 45 bps 1658z? 09 Nov
> K1TTT.?? TM3Z????? 14099.1? RTTY CQ? 22 dB 45 bps 1657z? 09 Nov
>
> 17.00z, it's now dark in central France, and not a single dB heard by K1TTT in MA on 15m, just a little 10db from PA and... west coast.
> Remember you, humans think that it's always greener in the neighbor's meadow
>
> 73 de Dimitri F4DSK / TM3Z
>
>
>
>
> Le 9 nov. 2021 ? 04:13, ? 04:13, Barry W2UP <w2up.co at gmail.com> a ?crit:
>> You guys are missing the most important point: the duration of the
>> opening
>> to Europe. That's where QSO points come from, because there's
>> virtually an
>> endless supply of Europeans to work.
>> Start with the high bands. Sunset in Europe is a constant for US ops.
>> However sunRISE is the key. Here are some examples of sunrise times
>> for
>> Nov 25:
>> Jonesport, ME 1140Z
>> Philadelphia, PA 1157Z
>> Pittsburgh, PA 1218Z (near LR)
>> Chicago, IL 1252Z
>>
>> Let's assume the band opens at sunrise and a decent station is making 3
>> QSOs/minute with EU. Jonesport has already made 60 QSOs as the band is
>> just opening in Phila. And so on. And of course, the opening is also
>> stronger and deeper for the shorter paths. The EU high band opening
>> closes
>> at the same time for everyone, as darkness crosses the EU continent.
>>
>> Then there are the low bands. Sunset is earlier in Jonesport, so
>> 40/80/160m opening is longer because everyone loses EU at the same time
>> as
>> the sun rises across EU.
>>
>> Barry W2UP
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 8, 2021 at 6:25 PM <john at kk9a.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I have operated many DX contests from Illinois and I there is a huge
>>> difference between east coast and midwest propagation. Beside the
>> mileage
>>> difference east coast stations have their first skip over the
>> Atlantic
>>> ocean
>>> which I believe offers some enhancement. We referred to the Midwest
>> as the
>>> black hole for a reason. W9JA moved from Wisconsin to Virginia and
>> then
>>> incredibly Paul started winning contests. You're lucky to be in New
>>> Brunswick, it may be the ideal location for the ARRL DX contest.
>>>
>>> John KK9A
>>>
>>>
>>> Mike Smith VE9AA wrote:
>>>
>>> He's only 618 miles SE of you and as the crow flies to EU (great
>> circle
>>> path)
>>> he might only have you by 100-200 miles (roughly)
>>> to the Center of EU (and there's more to CQWW than just EU) so it's
>>> probably
>>> just that he's the better/quicker op. Nothing more.
>>>
>>> I don't think there is very much of any of this "East Coast/Midwest"
>> stuff
>>> going on here at all.
>>>
>>>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2021 11:40:10 -0800
> From: Jim Brown <k9yc at audiosystemsgroup.com>
> To: cq-contest at contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Workiing Split in Contests
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>> On 11/9/2021 5:31 AM, Richard F DiDonna NN3W wrote:
>> Split is still done on 40 meters and 80 meters owing to the mismatch in
>> frequency allocations between R2 and R1/R3.
>
> Yes, very good operating practice. What I object to is split on CW,
> where there are no such allocation issues.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2021 12:41:51 -0700
> From: Steve London <n2icarrl at gmail.com>
> To: dimitri cosson <dimitri.cosson at gmail.com>
> Cc: Barry W2UP <w2up.co at gmail.com>, john at kk9a.com, AB1J via
> CQ-Contest <cq-contest at contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] {CQ-Contest] CQ WW DX SSB Midwest vs East
> Coast
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> 1) How do you know that K1TTT was on 15 meters at that time ?
> 2) Now run the same experiment at 1200Z in any DX contest.
>
> Dim, you are welcome to guest operate from my QTH in New Mexico in any DX
> contest. I have an excellent, hilltop QTH with monoband yagis on 10-40, a
> rotatable dipole at 110' on 80 (with an effective height of 300' towards
> Europe), and an elevated vertical on 160. I think you would find the
> experience to be humbling.
>
> 73,
> Steve, N2IC
>
>
>> You're missing something Barry : the propagation in the real world...
>> Here is a RTTY test, using 100W, 3 L, on 15m. Look the RBN reports and
>> form where it comes from :
>>
>> OE9GHV OH8FKK 7043.0 RTTY CQ 19 dB 45 bps 1706z 09 Nov
>> WZ7I TM3Z 21086.5 RTTY CQ 10 dB 45 bps 1659z 09 Nov
>> WE9V TM3Z 21086.4 RTTY CQ 20 dB 45 bps 1658z 09 Nov
>> KO7SS TM3Z 21086.5. RTTY CQ 25 dB 45 bps 1658z 09 Nov
>> W6YX. TM3Z 21086.5 RTTY CQ 20 dB 45 bps 1658z 09 Nov
>> K1TTT. TM3Z 14099.1 RTTY CQ 22 dB 45 bps 1657z 09 Nov
>>
>> 17.00z, it's now dark in central France, and not a single dB heard by
>> K1TTT in MA on 15m, just a little 10db from PA and... west coast.
>> Remember you, humans think that it's always greener in the neighbor's
>> meadow
>>
>> 73 de Dimitri F4DSK / TM3Z
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Le 9 nov. 2021 ? 04:13, ? 04:13, Barry W2UP <w2up.co at gmail.com> a ?crit:
>>> You guys are missing the most important point: the duration of the
>>> opening
>>> to Europe. That's where QSO points come from, because there's
>>> virtually an
>>> endless supply of Europeans to work.
>>> Start with the high bands. Sunset in Europe is a constant for US ops.
>>> However sunRISE is the key. Here are some examples of sunrise times
>>> for
>>> Nov 25:
>>> Jonesport, ME 1140Z
>>> Philadelphia, PA 1157Z
>>> Pittsburgh, PA 1218Z (near LR)
>>> Chicago, IL 1252Z
>>>
>>> Let's assume the band opens at sunrise and a decent station is making 3
>>> QSOs/minute with EU. Jonesport has already made 60 QSOs as the band is
>>> just opening in Phila. And so on. And of course, the opening is also
>>> stronger and deeper for the shorter paths. The EU high band opening
>>> closes
>>> at the same time for everyone, as darkness crosses the EU continent.
>>>
>>> Then there are the low bands. Sunset is earlier in Jonesport, so
>>> 40/80/160m opening is longer because everyone loses EU at the same time
>>> as
>>> the sun rises across EU.
>>>
>>> Barry W2UP
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Mon, Nov 8, 2021 at 6:25 PM <john at kk9a.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have operated many DX contests from Illinois and I there is a huge
>>>> difference between east coast and midwest propagation. Beside the
>>> mileage
>>>> difference east coast stations have their first skip over the
>>> Atlantic
>>>> ocean
>>>> which I believe offers some enhancement. We referred to the Midwest
>>> as the
>>>> black hole for a reason. W9JA moved from Wisconsin to Virginia and
>>> then
>>>> incredibly Paul started winning contests. You're lucky to be in New
>>>> Brunswick, it may be the ideal location for the ARRL DX contest.
>>>>
>>>> John KK9A
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mike Smith VE9AA wrote:
>>>>
>>>> He's only 618 miles SE of you and as the crow flies to EU (great
>>> circle
>>>> path)
>>>> he might only have you by 100-200 miles (roughly)
>>>> to the Center of EU (and there's more to CQWW than just EU) so it's
>>>> probably
>>>> just that he's the better/quicker op. Nothing more.
>>>>
>>>> I don't think there is very much of any of this "East Coast/Midwest"
>>> stuff
>>>> going on here at all.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> CQ-Contest mailing list
>>>> CQ-Contest at contesting.com
>>>> http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/cq-contest
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> CQ-Contest mailing list
>>> CQ-Contest at contesting.com
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> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2021 21:18:43 +0100
> From: dimitri cosson <dimitri.cosson at gmail.com>
> To: Steve London <n2icarrl at gmail.com>
> Cc: Barry W2UP <w2up.co at gmail.com>,john at kk9a.com, AB1J via CQ-Contest
> <cq-contest at contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] {CQ-Contest] CQ WW DX SSB Midwest vs East
> Coast
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> Steve,
>
> <<<
> 1) How do you know that K1TTT was on 15 meters at that time ?
> 2) Now run the same experiment at 1200Z in any DX contest.
>>>>
>
> 1) Because the K1TTT's skimmer was listening 40 to 12m. Have a look on? reversebeacon.net and read the list of skimmers online (and on what bands)...
> 2) Read again the full Barry's e.mail
>
> 73 de Dimitri F4DSK
>
> Le 9 nov. 2021 ? 20:42, ? 20:42, Steve London <n2icarrl at gmail.com> a ?crit:
>> 1) How do you know that K1TTT was on 15 meters at that time ?
>> 2) Now run the same experiment at 1200Z in any DX contest.
>>
>> Dim, you are welcome to guest operate from my QTH in New Mexico in any
>> DX
>> contest. I have an excellent, hilltop QTH with monoband yagis on 10-40,
>> a
>> rotatable dipole at 110' on 80 (with an effective height of 300'
>> towards
>> Europe), and an elevated vertical on 160. I think you would find the
>> experience to be humbling.
>>
>> 73,
>> Steve, N2IC
>>
>>
>>> You're missing something Barry : the propagation in the real world...
>>> Here is a RTTY test, using 100W, 3 L, on 15m. Look the RBN reports
>> and
>>> form where it comes from :
>>>
>>> OE9GHV OH8FKK 7043.0 RTTY CQ 19 dB 45 bps 1706z 09 Nov
>>> WZ7I TM3Z 21086.5 RTTY CQ 10 dB 45 bps 1659z 09 Nov
>>> WE9V TM3Z 21086.4 RTTY CQ 20 dB 45 bps 1658z 09 Nov
>>> KO7SS TM3Z 21086.5. RTTY CQ 25 dB 45 bps 1658z 09 Nov
>>> W6YX. TM3Z 21086.5 RTTY CQ 20 dB 45 bps 1658z 09 Nov
>>> K1TTT. TM3Z 14099.1 RTTY CQ 22 dB 45 bps 1657z 09 Nov
>>>
>>> 17.00z, it's now dark in central France, and not a single dB heard by
>>> K1TTT in MA on 15m, just a little 10db from PA and... west coast.
>>> Remember you, humans think that it's always greener in the neighbor's
>>> meadow
>>>
>>> 73 de Dimitri F4DSK / TM3Z
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Le 9 nov. 2021 ? 04:13, ? 04:13, Barry W2UP <w2up.co at gmail.com> a
>> ?crit:
>>>> You guys are missing the most important point: the duration of the
>>>> opening
>>>> to Europe. That's where QSO points come from, because there's
>>>> virtually an
>>>> endless supply of Europeans to work.
>>>> Start with the high bands. Sunset in Europe is a constant for US
>> ops.
>>>> However sunRISE is the key. Here are some examples of sunrise times
>>>> for
>>>> Nov 25:
>>>> Jonesport, ME 1140Z
>>>> Philadelphia, PA 1157Z
>>>> Pittsburgh, PA 1218Z (near LR)
>>>> Chicago, IL 1252Z
>>>>
>>>> Let's assume the band opens at sunrise and a decent station is
>> making 3
>>>> QSOs/minute with EU. Jonesport has already made 60 QSOs as the band
>> is
>>>> just opening in Phila. And so on. And of course, the opening is
>> also
>>>> stronger and deeper for the shorter paths. The EU high band opening
>>>> closes
>>>> at the same time for everyone, as darkness crosses the EU continent.
>>>>
>>>> Then there are the low bands. Sunset is earlier in Jonesport, so
>>>> 40/80/160m opening is longer because everyone loses EU at the same
>> time
>>>> as
>>>> the sun rises across EU.
>>>>
>>>> Barry W2UP
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Nov 8, 2021 at 6:25 PM <john at kk9a.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have operated many DX contests from Illinois and I there is a
>> huge
>>>>> difference between east coast and midwest propagation. Beside the
>>>> mileage
>>>>> difference east coast stations have their first skip over the
>>>> Atlantic
>>>>> ocean
>>>>> which I believe offers some enhancement. We referred to the
>> Midwest
>>>> as the
>>>>> black hole for a reason. W9JA moved from Wisconsin to Virginia and
>>>> then
>>>>> incredibly Paul started winning contests. You're lucky to be in
>> New
>>>>> Brunswick, it may be the ideal location for the ARRL DX contest.
>>>>>
>>>>> John KK9A
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike Smith VE9AA wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> He's only 618 miles SE of you and as the crow flies to EU (great
>>>> circle
>>>>> path)
>>>>> he might only have you by 100-200 miles (roughly)
>>>>> to the Center of EU (and there's more to CQWW than just EU) so
>> it's
>>>>> probably
>>>>> just that he's the better/quicker op. Nothing more.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't think there is very much of any of this "East
>> Coast/Midwest"
>>>> stuff
>>>>> going on here at all.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> CQ-Contest mailing list
>>>>> CQ-Contest at contesting.com
>>>>> http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/cq-contest
>>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> CQ-Contest mailing list
>>>> CQ-Contest at contesting.com
>>>> http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/cq-contest
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>>>
>
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> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2021 07:24:47 +0000
> From: Ken K6MR <k6mr at outlook.com>
> To: "rttydigital at groups.io" <rttydigital at groups.io>,
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> <cq-contest at contesting.com>, "RTTY at groups.io" <RTTY at groups.io>
> Subject: [CQ-Contest] NS RTTY this Thursday, 11 Nov in NA DON'T
> FORGET THE TIME CHANGE!
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> Greetings Diddlers,
>
> Back into double digit turnout last week. Welcome to first timer K0VW (neat call!), as well as AK2S and W4BBT who were back for more sprint fun.
>
>
>
> And yes, it?s that time again for most of us to adjust ourselves to that silly biannual government imposed ritual of messing with time. So even though the UTC times have not changed, those of you (and me) who are subjected to this craziness must adjust our day. Put a yellow sticky on the monitor, set an alarm, whatever you need to do to remember to show up an hour earlier local time. Except of course you lucky folks who are in states that have sane management. Anyway, don?t forget. If no one is around when you start CQing, you are too late!
>
>
>
> The upcoming weekend has a biggie of the RTTY world: WAE DX RTTY! This one gives everyone a chance to play and makes QTCs a bit more fun. So warm up the diddle machine and join us Thursday evening to make sure everything is up to snuff for the weekend.
>
>
>
> The details of our little get together:
>
>
>
> Friday, 12 Nov 2021, 0145Z - 0215Z (Thursday, 11 Nov 2021 in NA)
> -- 1745 - 1815 PST
> -- 2045 - 2115 EST
> -- (others in-between those two)
> -- 160: Around 1805 (Last two to five minutes seem to be popular?)
> -- 80/40/20/15 +84 kHz up from the band edge <--NOTE
> -- Same band dupes ok after 1 intervening Q.
> -- 1 kHz QSY rule, otherwise standard Sprint rules
> -- Mults per band.
> -- 100W power limit
>
> Please visit http://www.ncccsprint.com/rttyns.html for complete rules and links to other info. If you find any problems with the web pages, please let me know so we can get them fixed.
>
> If you would like to receive all the latest info about NS as well as a have a place for comments and questions, sign up for the NS mailing list: https://groups.io/g/nccc-blue
>
> Contestonlinescore.com has a slot set up for us if you?d like to make sure your logger is talking to the world. Select NCCC NA RTTY Sprint.
>
> Report scores to 3830scores.com, and join us at 0300Z on 3610 kHz (+/- a few for ongoing groups) for comments and questions (and dinner menus).
>
> Don?t forget to check out RTTYops Weekday and Weekend Sprints. Tuesday/Thursday/Sunday (in NA) for you hopelessly addicted Sprinters.
>
> Diddle diddle,
>
> Ken K6MR
>
>
>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2021 09:01:10 +0100
> From: Weisz L?szl? <ha3nu at tolna.net>
> To: cq-contest at contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] {CQ-Contest] CQ WW DX SSB Midwest vs East
> Coast
> Message-ID: <d240d17e-9a54-f582-d378-49141da84ab3 at tolna.net>
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> GM,
>
> MW vs East Coast
>
> Here in Eu we have the same situation: West Coast (EU) vs. Central Eu. I
> agree with Steve N2IC and Barry W2UP: one from Central Eu is not able to
> reach the same results with a big monobander like TM3Z with his? 3el on
> 21MHz. Eg. in case we have a 6 hours opening for US that means only
> about 30 mins to west coast (but in good conditions only) and of course
> G/EI/F/EA/CT etc. friends have7-8 hours opening in the same time with
> much bigger West Coast opening .? Same situation with North vs. South.
> Dimitri: "the propagation in the real world..." is the propagation what
> you have in France but not in Central/East Eu.
>
> We have to live together with this fact.
>
> 73 Lacy HA3NU/HG3R
>
>
>> On 2021. 11. 09. 21:18, dimitri cosson wrote:
>> Steve,
>>
>> <<<
>> 1) How do you know that K1TTT was on 15 meters at that time ?
>> 2) Now run the same experiment at 1200Z in any DX contest.
>> 1) Because the K1TTT's skimmer was listening 40 to 12m. Have a look on? reversebeacon.net and read the list of skimmers online (and on what bands)...
>> 2) Read again the full Barry's e.mail
>>
>> 73 de Dimitri F4DSK
>>
>> Le 9 nov. 2021 ? 20:42, ? 20:42, Steve London <n2icarrl at gmail.com> a ?crit:
>>> 1) How do you know that K1TTT was on 15 meters at that time ?
>>> 2) Now run the same experiment at 1200Z in any DX contest.
>>>
>>> Dim, you are welcome to guest operate from my QTH in New Mexico in any
>>> DX
>>> contest. I have an excellent, hilltop QTH with monoband yagis on 10-40,
>>> a
>>> rotatable dipole at 110' on 80 (with an effective height of 300'
>>> towards
>>> Europe), and an elevated vertical on 160. I think you would find the
>>> experience to be humbling.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Steve, N2IC
>>>
>>>
>>>> You're missing something Barry : the propagation in the real world...
>>>> Here is a RTTY test, using 100W, 3 L, on 15m. Look the RBN reports
>>> and
>>>> form where it comes from :
>>>>
>>>> OE9GHV OH8FKK 7043.0 RTTY CQ 19 dB 45 bps 1706z 09 Nov
>>>> WZ7I TM3Z 21086.5 RTTY CQ 10 dB 45 bps 1659z 09 Nov
>>>> WE9V TM3Z 21086.4 RTTY CQ 20 dB 45 bps 1658z 09 Nov
>>>> KO7SS TM3Z 21086.5. RTTY CQ 25 dB 45 bps 1658z 09 Nov
>>>> W6YX. TM3Z 21086.5 RTTY CQ 20 dB 45 bps 1658z 09 Nov
>>>> K1TTT. TM3Z 14099.1 RTTY CQ 22 dB 45 bps 1657z 09 Nov
>>>>
>>>> 17.00z, it's now dark in central France, and not a single dB heard by
>>>> K1TTT in MA on 15m, just a little 10db from PA and... west coast.
>>>> Remember you, humans think that it's always greener in the neighbor's
>>>> meadow
>>>>
>>>> 73 de Dimitri F4DSK / TM3Z
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Le 9 nov. 2021 ? 04:13, ? 04:13, Barry W2UP <w2up.co at gmail.com> a
>>> ?crit:
>>>>> You guys are missing the most important point: the duration of the
>>>>> opening
>>>>> to Europe. That's where QSO points come from, because there's
>>>>> virtually an
>>>>> endless supply of Europeans to work.
>>>>> Start with the high bands. Sunset in Europe is a constant for US
>>> ops.
>>>>> However sunRISE is the key. Here are some examples of sunrise times
>>>>> for
>>>>> Nov 25:
>>>>> Jonesport, ME 1140Z
>>>>> Philadelphia, PA 1157Z
>>>>> Pittsburgh, PA 1218Z (near LR)
>>>>> Chicago, IL 1252Z
>>>>>
>>>>> Let's assume the band opens at sunrise and a decent station is
>>> making 3
>>>>> QSOs/minute with EU. Jonesport has already made 60 QSOs as the band
>>> is
>>>>> just opening in Phila. And so on. And of course, the opening is
>>> also
>>>>> stronger and deeper for the shorter paths. The EU high band opening
>>>>> closes
>>>>> at the same time for everyone, as darkness crosses the EU continent.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then there are the low bands. Sunset is earlier in Jonesport, so
>>>>> 40/80/160m opening is longer because everyone loses EU at the same
>>> time
>>>>> as
>>>>> the sun rises across EU.
>>>>>
>>>>> Barry W2UP
>>>>>
>>>>>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2021 10:23:20 -0600
> From: Mark - N5OT <r-emails at n5ot.com>
> To: "cq-contest at contesting.com" <cq-contest at contesting.com>
> Subject: [CQ-Contest] Interest in CQWW - analysis
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> K9YC wrote:
>
>> Thanks for your offer, Mark. It could be a lot of work. The words I
> chose are descriptive, not quantitative. They will be defined
> quantitatively by work like you have volunteered to do!
>
> Thanks Jim for such a gracious response.
>
> We can split hair about the word "most" but these numbers below show a
> definition of "most" can mean "less than half" which I think was why I
> asked in the first place (since "most" is commonly thought of as "more
> than half").? As far as measuring degree of turn-on, well, that is above
> my pay-grade.? How does the old quote go, "I know it when I see it."?
> Apparently so does Jim but we both measure it differently.? Someone else
> can tackle that one.? As Ken AB1J posted, a survey could determine
> attitudes.
>
> In the interest of crowd-sourcing what could be an interesting
> discussion amongst the enlightened here, I present some basic numbers
> for last year's CQWW Phone contest (all gleaned from Dr. Google and her
> World Wide Internet).? The data is at the end of this email.
>
> - - - - - - - - - - -
>
> ?Analysis:
>
> 1.87% of all hams on the West Coast got on for the contest.
>
> 2.92% of all hams on the East Coast got on for the contest.
>
> - - - - - - - - - - -
>
> Definitions:
>
> "All hams" means all hams who have a General, Advanced or Extra-class
> license
>
> "Got on for the contest" means their callsign appeared at least once in
> a submitted log
>
> "West Coast" means California, Oregon and Washington
>
> "East Coast" means W1, W2 and W3
>
> "Interest" means percentage of all hams who got on for the contest
>
> "Greater interest" means the percentage is higher
>
> For the purpose of this email, "hams" and "stations" and "callsigns" are
> all interchangeable.? No allowance was made for the number of operators
> who may have been on the air using a particular callsign, nor for their
> license class.? (e.g. Multiop entries).
>
> - - - - - - - - - - -
>
> Other interesting gleanings:
>
> Based on the percentage of hams who got on for the contest:
>
> Illinois showed greater interest than New York
> Arizona showed greater interest than Georgia
>
> The top five in order (by percentage) were NH, RI, DE, NJ followed by
> MINNESOTA
>
> Measured by actual number of stations on the air:
>
> California had more hams on for the contest than any other state
> Florida was #2
> Texas was #3
>
> - - - - - - - - - - - -
>
> Interesting that more people in 5th-ranked Minnesota got on for the CQWW
> than people in Connecticut, whether you measure it by percentage OR
> number of operators.? Conclusion: Hams in Minnesota are more easily
> turned on than hams in Connecticut.
>
> Data follows.? If you want to sort the columns yourself click this link
> to download this simple spreadsheet:
>
> http://www.n5ot.com/CQWW/2020-CQWW-Interest-Analysis-Data.xlsx
>
> 73 - Mark N5OT
> P.S. My work here is finished
>
>
> Data for 2021 CQWW Phone
> STATE NUMBER OF STATIONS THAT GOT ON FOR THE CONTEST NUMBER OF
> GENERAL, ADVANCED AND EXTRA-CLASS LICENSEES PERCENTAGE OF GENERAL,
> ADVANCED AND EXTRA-CLASS LICENSEES WHO GOT ON FOR THE CONTEST
> AK 1 1567 0.06%
> AL 116 6128 1.89%
> AR 67 3790 1.77%
> AZ 238 10100 2.36%
> CA 758 42789 1.77%
> CO 160 7408 2.16%
> CT 129 4313 2.99%
> DE 31 938 3.30%
> FL 510 27702 1.84%
> GA 204 8844 2.31%
> IA 72 3888 1.85%
> ID 55 2821 1.95%
> IL 326 11904 2.74%
> IN 168 8167 2.06%
> KS 57 3841 1.48%
> KY 96 4651 2.06%
> LA 61 3699 1.65%
> MA 229 7881 2.91%
> MD 178 6080 2.93%
> ME 66 2692 2.45%
> MI 236 11640 2.03%
> MN 183 6094 3.00%
> MO 132 7418 1.78%
> MS 51 2737 1.86%
> MT 31 1750 1.77%
> NC 267 11082 2.41%
> ND 16 803 1.99%
> NE 35 2266 1.54%
> NH 105 2887 3.64%
> NJ 267 8308 3.21%
> NM 46 2971 1.55%
> NV 62 3260 1.90%
> NY 433 16165 2.68%
> OH 332 15913 2.09%
> OK 77 4755 1.62%
> OR 163 7964 2.05%
> PA 415 14019 2.96%
> RI 43 1200 3.58%
> SC 120 4909 2.44%
> SD 19 1157 1.64%
> TN 190 8931 2.13%
> TX 457 24796 1.84%
> UT 68 3608 1.88%
> VA 285 9949 2.86%
> VT 24 1153 2.08%
> WA 271 13120 2.07%
> WI 184 6200 2.97%
> WV 66 2967 2.22%
> WY 22 923 2.38%
> Grand Total 8122 368148 2.21%
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2021 16:32:37 +0000 (UTC)
> From: ktfrog007 at aol.com
> To: "cq-contest at contesting.com" <cq-contest at contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] "Is there a way a station could enter a
> "Block All Spots of Me" to the skimmer network?"
> Message-ID: <425385538.1269565.1636561957810 at mail.yahoo.com>
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>
> If there were an option to block all skimmer and cluster spots, do you think any top contest stations would do it in contests?
>
> And if so, why?
>
> 73,
> Ken, AB1J
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ko7ss--- via CQ-Contest <cq-contest at contesting.com>
> To: Reflector Cq-contest <cq-contest at contesting.com>
> Sent: Tue, Nov 9, 2021 2:19 pm
> Subject: [CQ-Contest] "Is there a way a station could enter a "Block All Spots of Me" to the skimmer network?"
>
> This option doesn't exist for the RBN as a whole, but at the individual skimmer level it
> is easy. One of the user defined parameters is "Blocked Calls" to prevent a skimmer
> from self spotting the owner in a contest.
>
> One older boy and his radio sent me an E-mail a few years ago asking to not be
> spotted on my skimmers and I set it up for him.
>
> Anyone else? I can send the list to the RBN ops group if desired....
>
> 73, Bill KO7SS
>
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