[CQ-Contest] ARRL to allow self-spotting in contests
WW3S
ww3s at zoominternet.net
Thu Feb 17 09:34:31 EST 2022
Why the dates in May? Those dates were not noted as meeting dates, yet several tasks have May dates?
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> On Feb 17, 2022, at 9:29 AM, rjairam at gmail.com wrote:
>
>
> It was in the July 2021 CAC report:
>
> http://www.arrl.org/files/file/ODV/Board%20Meeting%20July%202021/Document%2022%20Contest%20Advisory%20Committee%20Report.pdf
>
> Pages 11-12 are pertinent.
>
> Chas K3WW was on the CAC at that time so could probably provide further input as to the rationale. Zev N2WKS is also on the CAC.
>
> Ria
> N2RJ
>
>
>> On Thu, Feb 17, 2022 at 8:49 AM Jamie WW3S <ww3s at zoominternet.net> wrote:
>> was anyone, ANYONE, surveyed or asked about these changes prior to them
>> being enacted.....anyone ???? Bueller ?!?!?!?
>>
>> ------ Original Message ------
>> From: "Ron Notarius W3WN via CQ-Contest" <cq-contest at contesting.com>
>> To: "rjairam at gmail.com" <rjairam at gmail.com>; "pete.n4zr at gmail.com"
>> <pete.n4zr at gmail.com>
>> Cc: "cq-contest at contesting.com" <cq-contest at contesting.com>
>> Sent: 2/17/2022 8:42:06 AM
>> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] ARRL to allow self-spotting in contests
>>
>> >Regardless of the validity of the "nobody asked us" argument, there remains a perception (at least) that a minority of contest operators are making changes for their own sakes, and not necessarily for the improvement of the contest in question as a whole.
>> >And that these changes, some of which may actually be beneficial for all in both the short and long run, are being implemented whether or not other members of the worldwide contesting operators/community have a say in it... or if they have a say, are necessarily listened to.
>> >The result of this perception... and whether it is accurate or not is not the point... is that some operators will choose to simply not bother to operate a contest, or will scale back to casual operating rather than competitive operating, as they had done in the past. Which will result in a net loss in potential contest contacts for all. (Granted, some of that may and will happen whenever there is a change in the rules... I'm simply suggesting that it is more so when operators believe that their opinions are neither solicited nor considered)
>> >That's my observation on the situation. Take it into consideration as much or as little as you like.
>> >73, ron w3wn
>> >
>> >
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: rjairam at gmail.com <rjairam at gmail.com>
>> >To: Pete Smith N4ZR <pete.n4zr at gmail.com>
>> >Cc: cq-contest at contesting.com
>> >Sent: Thu, Feb 17, 2022 7:52 am
>> >Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] ARRL to allow self-spotting in contests
>> >
>> >It really isn’t the “nobody asked us” defense. Quite the opposite. There
>> >were several in the contest community who wanted contest rules out of the
>> >hands of the full Board and into the hands of the CAC and radiosport
>> >department. It doesn’t mean we don’t have input. It simply means that we
>> >don’t have a formal vote on every contest rule change.
>> >
>> >As for smaller S&P stations? I’m not sure what changes for you. Care to
>> >elaborate?
>> >
>> >I think a lot of us with smaller stations share frustrations of not being
>> >able to be competitive, for various reasons.
>> >
>> >
>> >Ria
>> >N2RJ
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >On Thu, Feb 17, 2022 at 1:05 AM Pete Smith N4ZR <pete.n4zr at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> But Ria, what about those of us with small stations who like assisted
>> >> S&P? Surely there should be room for those of us who don't want to
>> >> self-spot, but find unassisted S&P endless frustration. I'm with you -
>> >> surely it would have been better to add a class.
>> >>
>> >> As for the Board not having voted on these new rules, why the heck not?
>> >> Surely this isn't the "nobody asked us" defense? If the Board aren't
>> >> responsible for what people subordinate to you do, who is?
>> >>
>> >> 73, Pete N4ZR
>> >> Check out the new Reverse Beacon Network
>> >> web server at<http://beta.reversebeacon.net>.
>> >> For spots, please use your favorite
>> >> "retail" DX cluster.
>> >>
>> >> On 2/16/2022 9:11 PM, rjairam at gmail.com wrote:
>> >> > Hans, things progressed exactly as some of the harshest critics desired
>> >> it
>> >> > to go.
>> >> >
>> >> > But anyway, everything is in the minutes. There were no motions by the
>> >> > Board to adopt these rules.
>> >> >
>> >> > Do I agree with them? My desire was for an “ultra unlimited” category to
>> >> > have streaming and self spotting. I didn’t get that. I’m one voice.
>> >> >
>> >> > Do we need to adapt and evolve? Yes.
>> >> >
>> >> > But I’m glad we kept unassisted, so those who desire legacy contesting
>> >> have
>> >> > their sandbox to play in.
>> >> >
>> >> > Ria
>> >> > N2RJ
>> >> >
>> >> > On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 8:53 PM Hans Brakob<kzerohb at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Nice sidestep, Director.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> 73, de Hans, KØHB
>> >> >> “Just a Boy and his Radio”™
>> >> >> ------------------------------
>> >> >> *From:* CQ-Contest<cq-contest-bounces+kzerohb=gmail.com at contesting.com>
>> >> >> on behalf ofrjairam at gmail.com <rjairam at gmail.com>
>> >> >> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 16, 2022 7:24:37 PM
>> >> >>
>> >> >> *To:* Ken Boasi<n2zn at rochester.rr.com>
>> >> >> *Cc:* Barry W2UP<w2up.co at gmail.com>; CQ-Contest Reflector <
>> >> >> cq-contest at contesting.com>
>> >> >> *Subject:* Re: [CQ-Contest] ARRL to allow self-spotting in contests
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The full Board does not make a motion to adopt rules changes anymore.
>> >> >> This goes direct from the PSC to the radiosport department. There is a
>> >> >> PSC report that is adopted (in the consent agenda) but that's about
>> >> >> it. Also, the CAC is actually driving these rule changes now with the
>> >> >> PSC merely approving their recommendations.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Ria
>> >> >> N2RJ
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 4:43 PM Ken Boasi<n2zn at rochester.rr.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >>> I’m not an ARRL apologist, but the CAC has been discussing this since
>> >> at
>> >> >> least a year ago, and made a recommendation for this change in their
>> >> July
>> >> >> meeting. You can look up the minutes on the ARRL website. It is task
>> >> >> 2020.5.
>> >> >>> I presume it was adopted in January at the ARRL Board meeting.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> I am not in favor of the change, but I guess I had my chance to comment
>> >> >> on this (like the rest of us) over the past year, and failed to do so,
>> >> >> either because I wasn’t paying attention, forgot to, or just assumed
>> >> that
>> >> >> “they would never do something like that”. Lesson learned…
>> >> >>> 73, Ken N2ZN
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>> On Feb 16, 2022, at 3:35 PM, Barry W2UP<w2up.co at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> So which contest software will be the first to add, "self-spot every
>> >> >> 15
>> >> >>>> seconds"?
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Seems ARRL is back on its secrecy kick. I just renewed my ARRL
>> >> >> membership
>> >> >>>> for the 52nd year. It may be my last.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Barry W2UP
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>> On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 10:36 AM PY2NY<py2ny.vitor at gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> Good afternoon.
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> I don't know exactly what to say or think about. My first impression
>> >> >>>>> isn't good, including for those guys that are always "Assisted".
>> >> >>>>> DXCluster will have thousands of self-spots.
>> >> >>>>> Thanks God I'm always "no-Assisted"...
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> 73 DX and see you all next weekend.
>> >> >>>>> .
>> >> >>>>> ..
>> >> >>>>> ...
>> >> >>>>> --------------------------------
>> >> >>>>> PY2NY / SP9NY / V26NY - Vitor Luis Aidar dos Santos
>> >> >>>>> http://military-jeep-brasil.blogspot.com.br/
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> Em qua., 16 de fev. de 2022 às 09:23, Randy Thompson <
>> >> >> k5zd at outlook.com>
>> >> >>>>> escreveu:
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> From the ARRL Contest Update today:
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> "New Rules in effect for all ARRL HF Contests in June
>> >> >>>>>> Starting with the ARRL International Digital Contest, in all
>> >> >> categories
>> >> >>>>>> that allow assistance (Unlimited), the use of online and other
>> >> >>>>> non-amateur
>> >> >>>>>> radio platforms including but not limited to social media, live
>> >> video
>> >> >>>>>> streaming, and internet chat rooms will be allowed. In all Unlimited
>> >> >> and
>> >> >>>>>> Multioperator categories, the prohibition of self-spotting, and
>> >> >> asking
>> >> >>>>>> another station to spot you, will also be removed."
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> Wow. It was one thing for the VHF contests to allow use of chat
>> >> >> rooms
>> >> >>>>> and
>> >> >>>>>> telephone calls, now this is extended to all HF contests. It should
>> >> >> be
>> >> >>>>>> interesting to see what unintended consequences result from allowing
>> >> >>>>>> multi-ops and assisted competitors to spot themselves. You could
>> >> spot
>> >> >>>>>> yourself with every CQ if you wanted to. Or you can call people on
>> >> >> the
>> >> >>>>>> phone and ask them to get on the air. Or send out email reminders to
>> >> >> work
>> >> >>>>>> you during the contest.
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> It is likely to have the most impact on SSB to produce spotting
>> >> >> equal to
>> >> >>>>>> what the RBN does for CW and RTTY.
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> For an organization that has always been so timid and conservative
>> >> on
>> >> >>>>> rule
>> >> >>>>>> changes, the ARRL seems to have sprung this one without much
>> >> >> consultation
>> >> >>>>>> with the contest community. I assume it is in reaction to the W2RE
>> >> >>>>>> incident several years ago in ARRL DX where he used live streaming
>> >> on
>> >> >>>>>> Facebook during the contest.
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> Randy K5ZD
>> >> >>>>>>
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