[CQ-Contest] Is Self Spotting now allowed in ARRL tests?

[Pete Smith N4ZR]

MUCH more than a little, Hans.  The amount of variability allowed before 
Siri boggles is a tiny fraction of what it would encounter on 20M SSB.  
Consider accents, variability in the content of transmissions, 
non-standard phonetics, QRM, QRN, etc.  Most of us don't have a Cray in 
the basement (or at least a mainframe) to run the code that would be needed.

73, Pete N4ZR
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On 11/24/2022 10:40 PM, Hans Brakob wrote:
> With a little work, Siri could be an SSB RBN.
>
> 73, de Hans, KØHB
> “Just a Boy and his Radio”™
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> While I agree with Steve's final point, the bit about a phone RBN is
> nonsense. There may be one, but I suspect it resides in Fort Meade, and
> for us ordinary mortals, it is a nothing burger.
>
> 73, Pete N4ZR
> Check out the new Reverse Beacon Network
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>
> On 11/24/2022 12:56 PM, Tom Hellem wrote:
> > Amen to that. The most telling post on the subject to date by far.
> >
> > K0SN
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 23, 2022 at 4:47 PM Steve Dyer W1SRD via CQ-Contest <
> > cq-contest at contesting.com> wrote:
> >
> >> It's not any different. This whole issue is a nothing burger. The tech
> >> exists for a phone RBN, just no one has (bothered) to do it.
> >> No, self spotting won't be the "end of contesting as we know it" (TM).
> >> I am far more worried about the skewed distribution of CK numbers in my
> >> log.
> >> 73,
> >> Steve
> >> W1SRD
> >>
> >> On 11/23/2022 9:52 AM, Lee Hiers wrote:
> >>> How is that materially different from having a program that 
> automatically
> >>> spots every S&P contact, clogging the cluster with spots of CQing
> >> stations?
> >>> 73 de Lee, AA4GA
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Nov 22, 2022 at 7:19 PM Pete Smith N4ZR<pete.n4zr at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>> It makes no sense to encourage stations to clog the clusters with 
> spots
> >>>> of themselves, just because they can.
> >>>>
> >>>> 73, Pete N4ZR
> >>>> Check out the new Reverse Beacon Network
> >>>> web server at<https://reversebeacon.net>.
> >>>> For spots, please use your favorite
> >>>> "retail" DX cluster.
> >>>>
> >>>> On 11/22/2022 12:12 PM, Tim Shoppa wrote:
> >>>>> Bob W5OV of the ARRL has corrected me.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> He writes "Your reading of PROH.3 is not correct. That exclusion is
> >>>>> specifically about making schedules, soliciting contacts (i.e.; 
> CQing),
> >>>> and
> >>>>> sending or receiving the required QSO exchange information via
> >>>> non-amateur
> >>>>> means. It says nothing about spotting."
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I myself fail to see any distinction between self-spotting on a 
> Telnet
> >>>>> cluster, and soliciting i.e. CQing using non-amateur means, but 
> that's
> >>>>> official from W5OV of ARRL.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Tim N3QE
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Tue, Nov 22, 2022 at 9:13 AM Tim Shoppa<tshoppa at gmail.com>   
> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> First, make sure you have the latest rules. ARRL didn't update the
> >>>>>> November SS rules (to the latest, version 1.06) on their 
> website until
> >>>> late
> >>>>>> August. Prior to that we just had a confusing tease about
> >> self-spotting
> >>>>>> from a Contest Update earlier in the year.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Link to current SS rules:
> >>>>>> https://contests.arrl.org/ContestRules/SS-Rules.pdf
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> My reading of SS rule PROH.3 in version 1.06 of the rules, is that
> >>>>>> self-spotting is a form of soliciting contacts by a non-amateur 
> radio
> >>>> means
> >>>>>> (in this case Telnet cluster) and thus prohibited:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> "Examples of prohibited conduct [...]: PROH.3. Arranging, 
> soliciting,
> >> or
> >>>>>> confirming any contacts during or after the contest by use of any
> >>>>>> non-amateur radio means."
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> One clarification in 1.06 does explicitly allow a corner case of
> >>>> spotting,
> >>>>>> that was never previously mentioned in past contest rules. In the
> >>>>>> definition section you will find, "Generating spotting 
> information for
> >>>> use
> >>>>>> by other stations is not considered to be spotting assistance." 
> So for
> >>>>>> example you can be hooked up to a cluster and sending spots, as 
> long
> >> as
> >>>>>> you've set all the filters such that nothing ever comes in to 
> you from
> >>>> the
> >>>>>> cluster.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Tim N3QE
> >>>>>>
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