[CQ-Contest] CQ-Contest Digest, Vol 241, Issue 24

[Bruce Sawyer]

Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Reciprocity in signal strength

W1VE makes a great point here.  I still remember operating 80m from KL7Y
many years ago.  Dan warned me not to bother calling unless the other
station was at least 20 dB over 9.  I didn't believe him until I tried.  He
was right!  Later I did several contests from VY1JA and saw the same
thing.  On the other hand, I spent many years operating as ZF2NT during the
winter months and was able to snag stations with one call who were barely
ESP-level to me.  But as Gerry also mentions, some operators are simply
awesome despite the conditions.  I will never forget getting through to
G3SXW in the days when he was in his QRP mode.  He was one of a kind when
it came to digging out weak signals.

Bruce, N6NT

On 1/26/2023 1:40 PM, Gerry Hull wrote:
> Interesting discussion.
>
> As many have said, the local conditions, qrm, qrn, etc play a lot into
> the equation.
>  From the arctic, it is usually pretty quiet, so I can hear a lot more
than
> I can work.
> Also, if there is any aurora, it makes conditions one way -- I hear
> perfectly but cannot get out.
>
> In NAQP CW, I was on from VY1AAA on all bands, with 100w.  The only
antenna
> that worked at all was the full-size 1/4-wave 40m vertical.
> It has the most signal "capture".   Of course, that meant the most
> productive bands were 40 and 15, but even with a tuner 10 was great due
> to conditions.
>
> With a small station, it is really important to know when you can call in
a
> pile and work someone.  I passed by many because I knew I would
> sit there and call forever.   However, that is not universally true: some
> ops are just awesome.  One call for 8P5A even though he was 339 to me.
>
> 73,
>
> Gerry VY1AAA (W1VE)

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> Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2023 09:41:59 -0600
> From: K9MA <k9ma at sdellington.us>
> To: cq-contest at contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Reciprocity in signal strength
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> I just had a chance to measure my noise level during a widespread power
> outage. On 20 meters, it's 5 to 19 dB lower than normal, depending on
> direction. So, if you're in a really quiet location to my west, you're
> going to need 19 dB more power to get above my noise level that I do to
> get above yours. Either that, of 19 db of non-recriprocal propagation.
> Unless I can track down that big noise source.
>
> (I'm in the middle of the city, surrounded by overhead power lines.)
>
> 73,
> Scott
>
> On 1/26/2023 1:40 PM, Gerry Hull wrote:
> > Interesting discussion.
> >
> > As many have said, the local conditions, qrm, qrn, etc play a lot into
> > the equation.
> >  From the arctic, it is usually pretty quiet, so I can hear a lot more
> than
> > I can work.
> > Also, if there is any aurora, it makes conditions one way -- I hear
> > perfectly but cannot get out.
> >
> > In NAQP CW, I was on from VY1AAA on all bands, with 100w.  The only
> antenna
> > that worked at all was the full-size 1/4-wave 40m vertical.
> > It has the most signal "capture".   Of course, that meant the most
> > productive bands were 40 and 15, but even with a tuner 10 was great due
> > to conditions.
> >
> > With a small station, it is really important to know when you can call
> in a
> > pile and work someone.  I passed by many because I knew I would
> > sit there and call forever.   However, that is not universally true: some
> > ops are just awesome.  One call for 8P5A even though he was 339 to me.
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > Gerry VY1AAA (W1VE)
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 7:52 AM Barry Jacobson<bdj at alum.mit.edu>  wrote:
> >
> >> Hi guys, it seems that in a contest like NAQP where presumably almost
> >> everyone is running the same 100 W power, you should be able to hear the
> >> other guy at the same level he hears you. Even if the other guy has a
> >> $25,000 dollar beam, and you have a simple 10 foot random wire, the
> >> weakness in your transmission ability will also weaken your received
> signal
> >> just as much in the other direction. So if you can hear him, it
> guarantees
> >> he can hear you. (Unless one or both of you has separate receive and
> >> transmit antennas, or the receivers you are using are of very different
> >> quality.) Does that make any sense?
> >>
> >> Barry WA2VIU
> >>
> >> --
> >> Barry Jacobson
> >> WA2VIU
> >> bdj at alum.mit.edu
> >> @bdj_phd
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> --
> Scott  K9MA
>
> k9ma at sdellington.us
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