[CQ-Contest] Self spotting - now ARRL and Remote

kq2m at kq2m.com kq2m at kq2m.com
Sat Mar 16 10:15:28 EDT 2024


WOW Paul - what a truly disappointing response!

First, the ARRL, when whomever decided unilaterally to treat remote the 
same as just
using a keyer, they did so without ANY open discussion with the 
contesting community.
It was simply included DE FACTO.  No notice, no discussion, NOTHING that 
I ever saw.

Had remote operating been openly discussed by the ARRL at that time, I 
would have formally
made my objection TO THE ARRL at that time to REMOTE NOT being in it's 
own separate REMOTE category.
REMOTE would have it's own NON-Assisted and Assisted categories of 
course.

Second, there is a difference between outlawing the use of a technology 
vs. allowing it
as it's own class of technology.  I have NEVER been opposed to the use 
of remote technology
to operate, only that it be considered different because it uses NON 
AMATEUR-RADIO based technology
to communicate, which is fundamentally DIFFERENT than NON-REMOTE.  I 
have always felt that Remote should be in it's
own category the same way that a distinction is made for ops using high 
power, which as we know, is in it's
own category because it uses a DIFFERENT and more powerful technology.

As it is, I have objected to not having REMOTE in it's own category FOR 
MANY YEARS with my
explanation as to why, in many contest writeups and emails since that 
time.  AGAIN, I don't object to the
use of the technology - I think that advancements in the state of the 
art of contest operating are
more often than not, a GOOD thing, and I used Remote to operate 20 
meters at K1LZ in the 2023 ARRLDXCW,
but regardless, it is STILL making qso's by NON-Amateur means.  If the 
ARRL wants to allow qso's by using
NON-Amateur means then it should openly acknowledge that fact, allow 
it's use and put Remote in it's own category.

Three, Rules are not like firmament even though some people like to act 
as though they are.  A non-existent rule
or badly written rule doesn't become better or more valid with time.  
Rules can and should be written or rewritten
as needed, to codify and/or clarify the situation at hand, and as soon 
as possible. Indeed the BEST contests
have rules that are made/changed AFTER OPEN discussion WITH THE CONTEST 
PARTICIPANTS and contest community!

Bluetooth is a another form of remote, which should be in the REMOTE 
category because, like REMOTE, it uses
NON-AMATEUR RADIO means to communicate.

And, NO, remote operation is NOT "like an extended mic cord".  That's a 
rationalization used by
people that want REMOTE to be treated the same as NON-REMOTE because 
they don't want to acknowledge the clear
distinction between the two - which is that REMOTE operating REQUIRES 
the use of NON-AMATEUR RADIO means in order to
make and confirm the contest qso's.  NON-REMOTE operating does NOT 
require the use of NON-AMATEUR RADIO technology.

Your example of non-allowance of "email, text message, phone call, 
carrier pigeon, smoke signal" etc. to confirm
signal report or part of the exchange highlights EXACTLY what I am 
talking about.  The ARRL is being INCONSISTENT
in allowing the use NON-AMATEUR RADIO MEANS to make qso's (REMOTE) but 
NOT allowing the use NON-AMATEUR RADIO means to confirm them.  That 
doesn't even make sense!

No rule change is going to fix that unless it is a rule that 
acknowledges and puts REMOTE or BLUETOOTH within it's own
separate REMOTE category.  And it is NOT too late to do so.


Bob, KQ2M



On 2024-03-15 20:57, Paul Bourque wrote:
> Control of the transmitter via remote control is allowed. Remote
> operation is just like an extended mic cord. The contact is to be made
> from one radio to another radio, regardless of the control method.
> Would the contact not be allowed if you used a Bluetooth headset?.
> Bluetooth isn’t amateur radio.
> 
> Now your’e just nitpicking the rules, really??
> 
> What the rule says is that you can’t confirm your signal report or
> any part of the exchange via an email, text message, phone call,
> carrier pigeon, smoke signal…. See rule OPRG.4 of the Dx Contest
> rules
> 
>  -Paul
> 
> On Fri, Mar 15, 2024 at 9:47 PM <kq2m at kq2m.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Paul,
>> 
>> Not to change the subject but, if "All required elements of a
>> contact must be exchanged via amateur radio.", then how do contacts
>> made via remote qualify?  Is the internet considered to be Amateur
>> Radio?
>> 
>> It seems to me that contacts made via remote - which requires the
>> use of
>> NON-Amateur Radio technology as a conduit for making those qso's -
>> should be in a separate category because those NON-Amateur Radio
>> means
>> are essential to making those qso's.
>> 
>> Bob, KQ2M



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