oops forgot to add that, yes, i do have the latest sec file with wcf. it seems to COUNT the multiplier ok, but doesn't show in window. maybe window is not big enough for 10 lines (in 4-land)? -- WWW: http://www.k1ea.com/ Submissions: ct-user@contesting.com Administrative requests: ct-user-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-ct-user@contesting.com