[Mldxcc] [NCCC] MLDXCC CQP log submission guidance
Rich
rehill at ix.netcom.com
Thu Oct 7 06:48:53 PDT 2010
Ron, thanks. Let me be clear that I'm not speaking for MLDXCC
collectively. I am not a primary officer this year.
Thanks for your note. As Dick noted, our Honorary membership is rarely
used. It has been used to honor members who no longer reside in club
territory but do remain connected to the membership.
I look forward to efforts that increase the membership of either club,
grow the base of active contesters, and improve NCCC's Sweepstakes
performance. I appreciate friendly, honest, competition. Clearly REDXA
has been open and clear in presenting changes, rationale and goals. I
applaud that. I hope the discussion has and will be good for both clubs
and ultimately for NCCC and west coast contesting.
Thank you
73
Rich
NU6T
On 10/6/2010 10:10 PM, Ron Castro wrote:
> Rich, I think perhaps you have made a bit too much of REDXA's recent change
> of direction in regards to club competition. There were many reasons why we
> made such a change, but the most prominent is that we wanted to bring our
> club within the letter of rules as they are currently understood and
> practiced, and to put us in fair competition with other clubs, such as
> MLDXCC as well as those in southern California. We have never insinuated
> that your club has been anything less than 100% above board in all of its
> competition, but rather that we have been lax in availing ourselves of the
> full benefit of the rules. This is like passing up a tax deduction that you
> are fully entitled to. In addition, we see this a valuable recruiting tool
> to encourage participation of other active hams in the region, especially
> among the 700 members of NCCC, any of whom we would be proud to have as
> members!
>
>
> The creation of "Member in Good Standing by Acclamation" does not appear to
> be substantially different than the one described in Section 4 of the Mother
> Load Bylaws:
>
> "Section 4:
> This section provides for the election of honorary, non-voting members. An
> honorary member can be proposed by any paid-up member of the club. A two
> thirds (2/3) affirmative vote of the members present will be required to
> elect an honorary member."
>
> Also not substantially different is the 175 mile circle claimed by MLDXCC,
> the center of which is only a few miles from ours. The specific reason for
> the choice of the state capitol building was that if we chose a site along
> the coast, we would have half of our 'coverage area' out at sea. Second,
> the state capital building, specifically the apex of the rotunda dome which
> is clearly visible in Google Earth, creates an indisputable point that can
> be determined by anyone with a computer to within 30 feet. Of course in
> both cases, 175 miles was chosen to comply with ARRL rules regarding club
> competition, not just an arbitrary number.
>
> We thought it also important to observe the customs of CQP's sponsoring club
> as guidance. Members are often inducted into the club "by acclamation"
> following submission of a contest log naming NCCC. No meeting attendance is
> required and dues are optional. There is nothing wrong with this practice
> and it's probably the norm among the 'mega-clubs' including Yankee Clipper,
> Potomac and Frankfurt, not to mention the big EU clubs.
>
> Finally, we believe it's imperative for our club to attract new members and
> grow especially since these days, sadly, we read as many membership
> applications as we do obituaries. We love getting together with old friends
> we have been seeing for decades, but we also want to build our club and
> empower it with the vibrant experiences brought by those who may not live
> within the general 20 mile radius we've served in decades past, even if we
> only see those members at Visalia, Dayton or Pacificon or on the bands.
>
> You are correct that no formal or 'gentlemen's' agreement has been made
> between the clubs since, as president of REDXA, I have no authority to enter
> into an agreement in behalf of the club without the full support my Board of
> Directors and the general club membership. Bill may have been referring to
> Rick's suggestion at the September NCCC meeting that the clubs engage in
> good sportsmanship use good judgment in determining membership. I would
> expect nothing less from either club!
>
> Ron Castro
> N6IE
> President, REDXA
> www.N6IE.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
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> To: "Andrew Faber"<andrewfaber at ymail.com>
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> Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 7:16 PM
> Subject: [NCCC] MLDXCC CQP log submission guidance
>
>
>> Folks, what is the general understanding in the club of who can or
>> can't submit a log for CQP? REDXA has made a number of accusations, and
>> I don't know whether they have any historical validity or not. I
>> believe that there have been non-member submissions in the past, and
>> that NCCC gave credit for some. I believe Dick has followed the
>> submissions in recent years and works to assure that only members scores
>> were counted. I may be assuming too much. I know I joined some county
>> expeditions and asked about adding their scores. I was told that unless
>> at least half of the expedition members were MLDXCC members, that the
>> score could not be used. I've avoided some expeditions for that reason.
>>
>> I believe any member in good standing is eligible to submit a score for
>> MLDXCC for CQP. The requirements to become a member are in the MLDXCC
>> bylaws.
>>
>> I don't understand REDXA's hired gun issue. Here is what they say
>> publicly in their September newsletter about their goals:
>>
>> /This year, we want to expand our opportunities in the club
>> competition by inviting NCCC members to submit their logs for REDXA.
>> NCCC is the sponsor of the event and not eligible to compete as a
>> club, but its members can submit their scores to other clubs,
>> provided they meet the qualifications for club competition
>> membership as defined by the ARRL. I looked into those rules and
>> they require that anyone submitting a log in club competition to
>> reside within 175 miles of a "designated center" and be a "member in
>> good standing" of the club, but it does not seem to bar associate
>> members, special members or anything other than full, regular voting
>> members to submit logs in the clubs name.
>>
>> After some e-mail exchanges with the REDXA Board of Directors, I
>> will propose at the September club meeting that we create a new
>> class of member, that of "Member in Good Standing By Acclamation"
>> which will be a non-dues-paying associate membership that requires
>> only that a prospective member submit a CQP contest log for REDXA's
>> credit, and be voted in by a voice vote of the regular members at a
>> subsequent meeting and that their home QTH be within a 175 mile
>> radius of a "designated center". There would be no need for an
>> application or for the prospective member to be present at a club
>> meeting. The "designated center" would be the State Capitol Building
>> in Sacramento, which would give us coverage of all of Sonoma County
>> and cities ranging from Redding to Fresno, including Reno, NV. This
>> will give us access to some top-drawer contesters and allow us to
>> fairly compete for the top spot in the CQP club competition./
>>
>> It would seem that they are proposing what they have complained about, a
>> hired gun membership category, and determined that it is reasonable and
>> allowed. They moved their center to Sacramento to increase their
>> opportunities to attract new members, many who would presumably come
>> from the Sierra and the Bay area. The difference from our practice
>> seems to be that they do not require dues or a formal application, or
>> attendance at any club meeting.
>>
>> How does this fit with N6ZFO's no hired gun comments? Sounds more like
>> a means to limit MLDXCC membership than a "gentlemanly" agreement
>> reached between the clubs.
>>
>> So, where do we stand? I have no knowledge of any official contact
>> between the clubs that could be represented as an agreement.
>>
>> Rich
>> NU6T
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10/6/2010 10:13 AM, Andrew Faber wrote:
>>> Rick,
>>> A few days ago N6ZFO sent out an email saying that MLDXCC and REDXA
>>> had agreed regarding the club competition that no "hired guns" scores
>>> could count.
>>> Is that true? What does it mean? And does it apply, e.g., to
>>> Bay-area guys like me? Although I'm not in your primary area and
>>> generally don't go to meetings (though I usually try to make the
>>> summer joint meeting with NCCC), I've been a dues-paying member for a
>>> number of years now, and have contributed my score each year to the
>>> club. OTOH, if the scores are now only to be counted per this
>>> "agreement" from some core category of members, then maybe it's not
>>> appropriate.
>>> Please let me know what the situation is, as I would like to submit
>>> my log this weekend. Thanks.
>>> 73, Andy, AE6Y
>>>
>>>
>>>
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