[Mldxcc] [NCCC] MLDXCC CQP log submission guidance

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Well I try to alternate my few points between  clubs.   But  I may get  one 
two years in a row if my memory fails me,  but I hate  to waste good 
points, and I have been to meetings for both clubs  now and  then so I send points 
 here this year and there next year.  Works for  me, and I like the folks 
in both clubs, so I try to remember to play fair.  
 
 
I see no problem with any body/everybody sending their "NCCC " points to  
which ever club they choose to.  I will imagine that in the long run it  
evens out  any how, if some one weree to check.
 
Tom
N6AJR


In a message dated 10/7/2010 8:45:50 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
ronc at sonic.net writes:

Thanks  Rich...this has been a good dialog!

Ron   N6IE
www.N6IE.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rich"  <rehill at ix.netcom.com>
To: "Ron Castro" <ronc at sonic.net>;  "NCCC" <nccc at contesting.com>; "MLDXCC"  
<mldxcc at contesting.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 6:48  AM
Subject: Re: [NCCC] MLDXCC CQP log submission  guidance


>  Ron, thanks.  Let me be clear that I'm not  speaking for MLDXCC 
> collectively. I am not a primary officer this  year.
>
> Thanks for your note.  As Dick noted, our Honorary  membership is rarely 
> used. It has been used to honor members who no  longer reside in club 
> territory but do remain connected to the  membership.
>
> I look forward to efforts that increase the  membership of either club, 
> grow the base of active contesters, and  improve NCCC's Sweepstakes 
> performance.  I appreciate friendly,  honest, competition.  Clearly REDXA 
> has been open and clear in  presenting changes, rationale and goals.  I 
> applaud that.   I hope the discussion has and will be good for both clubs 
> and  ultimately for NCCC and west coast contesting.
>
> Thank  you
> 73
> Rich
> NU6T
>
> On 10/6/2010 10:10  PM, Ron Castro wrote:
>> Rich, I think perhaps you have made a bit  too much of REDXA's recent 
>> change
>> of direction in  regards to club competition.  There were many reasons 
why 
>>  we
>> made such a change, but the most prominent is that we wanted to  bring 
our
>> club within the letter of rules as they are currently  understood and
>> practiced, and to put us in fair competition with  other clubs, such as
>> MLDXCC as well as those in southern  California.  We have never insi
nuated
>> that your club has been  anything less than 100% above board in all of 
its
>> competition, but  rather that we have been lax in availing ourselves of 
>>  the
>> full benefit of the rules.  This is like passing up a tax  deduction 
that 
>> you
>> are fully entitled to.  In  addition, we see this a valuable recruiting 
>> tool
>> to  encourage participation of other active hams in the region,  
especially
>> among the 700 members of NCCC, any of whom we would be  proud to have as
>> members!
>>
>>
>> The  creation of "Member in Good Standing by Acclamation" does not 
appear  
>> to
>> be substantially different than the one described  in Section 4 of the 
>> Mother
>> Load  Bylaws:
>>
>> "Section 4:
>> This section provides  for the election of honorary, non-voting members. 
>> An
>>  honorary member can be proposed by any paid-up member of the club. A  
two
>> thirds (2/3) affirmative vote of the members present will be  required to
>> elect an honorary member."
>>
>>  Also not substantially different is the 175 mile circle claimed by  
>> MLDXCC,
>> the center of which is only a few miles from  ours.  The specific reason 
>> for
>> the choice of the  state capitol building was that if we chose a site 
>>  along
>> the coast, we would have half of our 'coverage area' out at  sea.  
Second,
>> the state capital building, specifically the  apex of the rotunda dome 
>> which
>> is clearly visible in  Google Earth, creates an indisputable point that 
>> can
>>  be determined by anyone with a computer to within 30 feet.  Of course  
in
>> both cases, 175 miles was chosen to comply with ARRL rules  regarding 
club
>> competition, not just an arbitrary  number.
>>
>> We thought it also important to observe the  customs of CQP's sponsoring 
>> club
>> as guidance.   Members are often inducted into the club "by acclamation"
>>  following submission of a contest log naming NCCC.  No meeting 
attendance  
>> is
>> required and dues are optional.  There is  nothing wrong with this 
>> practice
>> and it's probably  the norm among the 'mega-clubs' including Yankee 
>>  Clipper,
>> Potomac and Frankfurt, not to mention the big EU  clubs.
>>
>> Finally, we believe it's imperative for our  club to attract new members 
>> and
>> grow especially since  these days, sadly, we read as many membership
>> applications as we  do obituaries.  We love getting together with old 
>>  friends
>> we have been seeing for decades, but we also want to build  our club and
>> empower it with the vibrant experiences brought by  those who may not 
live
>> within the general 20 mile radius we've  served in decades past, even if 
>> we
>> only see those  members at Visalia, Dayton or Pacificon or on the  bands.
>>
>> You are correct that no formal or 'gentlemen's'  agreement has been made
>> between the clubs since, as president of  REDXA, I have no authority to 
>> enter
>> into an agreement  in behalf of the club without the full support my 
Board 
>>  of
>> Directors and the general club membership.  Bill may have  been 
referring 
>> to
>> Rick's suggestion at the September  NCCC meeting that the clubs engage in
>> good sportsmanship use good  judgment in determining membership.  I would
>> expect nothing  less from either  club!
>>

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