[Orion] Headphone Audio Levels

[Joe Giacobello]

I've just been using 2.059d since this weekend, and there's no doubt that the main audio output level is down substantially.  I've also observed that when using NR, the RF gain is reduced and has to be increased to obtain the original level.  OTOH, the NR now seems to finally be working as originally advertised in that a narrow window is built around the desired signal and competing noise is really attenuated.  It worked quite well on 40M this morning and 80M last night.

I am still evaluating the new firmware.

73, Joe
K2XX



"Haven't tried the AUX out yet, but the headphone output seems to be down in
both 2.037 and 2.059."



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>    1. More Blue Screen of Death 2.059 (K4IA at aol.com)
>    2. 2.059 Headphone output level (Barry Gross)
>    3. Re: AUTO ANT SWITCHING BROKE 2.037j (George)
>    4. 2.037J Speech Processor (Ron Castro)
>    5. Re: AUTO ANT SWITCHING BROKE 2.037j (RaySoifer at cs.com)
>    6. Re: 2.037J Speech Processor (RaySoifer at cs.com)
>    7. Headphone Audio Levels (Merle Bone)
>    8. Orion 2  voice recorder prob (emoss98133 at msn.com)
>    9. V2.059 Aux Audio Levels (Merle Bone)
>   10. Re: V2.059 Aux Audio Levels (Barry Gross)
>   11. Re: Headphone Audio Levels (Grant Youngman)
>   12. Re: AUTO ANT SWITCHING BROKE 2.037j (Grant Youngman)
>   13. More on the blue screen of death 2.059 (K4IA at aol.com)
>   14. Re: Orion 2  voice recorder prob (Ron Castro)
>   15. Orion 2 voice recorder problem fixed (emoss98133 at msn.com)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 19:37:31 EDT
> From: K4IA at aol.com
> Subject: [TenTec] More Blue Screen of Death 2.059
> To: tentec at contesting.com, orion565 at yahoogroups.com
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> Well, I made the mistake of pushing the SUB RX VFO B button and the radio  
> crashed - blank screen nothing works.
>  
> I have Master Reset, RAM reset, downloaded the 2.059 upgrade again and  
> reinstalled.  Still nothing but a blank screen and dead radio.
>  
> This is getting old.
>  
>  
> k4ia
> Craig  "Buck"
> Fredericksburg, Virginia USA
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 00:03:11 +0000
> From: "Barry Gross" <barry.n1eu at gmail.com>
> Subject: [TenTec] 2.059 Headphone output level
> To: "Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment" <tentec at contesting.com>
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> Anybody else experiencing a noticeable reduction in headphone output
> level (volume) in 2.059, compared to v1?
>
> 73,
> Barry N1EU
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 20:18:41 -0400
> From: "George" <goofyham at highstream.net>
> Subject: Re: [TenTec] AUTO ANT SWITCHING BROKE 2.037j
> To: "Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment" <tentec at contesting.com>
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> I have just noticed that my auto antenna switching as set up in the transmit 
> menu is broke???
> I use DX4WIN and click on a DX spot and the program automatically changes 
> the frequency and the O2 should also respond with an antenna change if 
> merited. It's broke?
> The antenna does not change from ANT1 for 160-30M and ANT2 for the beam 
> 20-10 meters. As a result if I'm not paying attention to the selected 
> antenna I may be transmitting into the wrong antenna.
> The whole thing is acting goofy like changing the sub rx freq?? It never did 
> that before this latest firmware update???
> Tomorrow I'm going back to the previous version SW to see if it's a bug and 
> yes I did a master and ram reset.
> Any other ideas?
> George. 
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 17:51:01 -0700
> From: "Ron Castro" <ronc at sonic.net>
> Subject: [TenTec] 2.037J Speech Processor
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> This was the fix we were waiting for to get the Speech Processor working right.  I did some tests using an old Collins 302C-3 watt meter which has relatively slow meter ballistics.  I yanked the bass out of my audio by setting the EQplus bass control to 0.  With no processing and 1500 watts PEP out, the average peaks shown on the 302C-3 were around 30 Watts.  Progressively increasing the SP from 1 to 9 increased the average peaks up to 200 Watts.  By comparison, my trusty old Alpha Vomax pushed the average peaks to about 175-200. 
>
> The O2's SP did introduce some distortion at the highest settings, but an amount that one would expect from that level of processing.  There was no inordinate increase in background noise that plagued earlier versions. 
>
> It should be noted that results are highly dependent on how much audio is used to drive the radio, so for instance if someone reports distortion at setting 5, someone else may notice very little all the way to 8 or 9, while others may notice it at 3 or 4.  
>
> As with any aggressive speech processor, bass will cause distortion, so pull out the bass and boost the treble with the internal EQ or an external one, and/or use a mic like the Heil HC 4 or 5.  Although I haven't tested it, an HC mic element with the EQ set to 0 or a few dB to the minus should work very well in contest or DX pileup.  Setting the low frequency roll-off to 300 Hz will work also.
>
> Ron N6AHA
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 21:02:35 EDT
> From: RaySoifer at cs.com
> Subject: Re: [TenTec] AUTO ANT SWITCHING BROKE 2.037j
> To: tentec at contesting.com
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> I don't have DX4WIN, but I noticed that after installing 2.037j the antenna 
> switching settings in the O2 menu were deleted and had to be put back in 
> manually.  Once I did that, the auto antenna switching worked fine.  I can't say 
> whether it would work with other software, since I haven't tried that.
>
> 73,
>
> Ray W2RS
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 21:08:42 EDT
> From: RaySoifer at cs.com
> Subject: Re: [TenTec] 2.037J Speech Processor
> To: ronc at sonic.net, tentec at contesting.com
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> In a message dated 9/10/06 12:52:10 AM Greenwich Standard Time, 
> ronc at sonic.net writes: 
>   
>> This was the fix we were waiting for to get the Speech Processor working 
>> right.  I did some tests using an old Collins 302C-3 watt meter which has 
>> relatively slow meter ballistics.  I yanked the bass out of my audio by setting 
>> the EQplus bass control to 0.  With no processing and 1500 watts PEP out, the 
>> average peaks shown on the 302C-3 were around 30 Watts.  Progressively 
>> increasing the SP from 1 to 9 increased the average peaks up to 200 Watts.  By 
>> comparison, my trusty old Alpha Vomax pushed the average peaks to about 175-200. 
>>
>>     
>
> I agree with Ron.  With 2.034, it sounded pretty distorted with SP settings 
> higher than 3.  Now I can go up to 4 or 5 with acceptable results.
>
> Another problem I had with prior firmware, one that I haven't seen written 
> about here, concerned the DVK.  The output level was much lower than it should 
> be.  That has been fixed in 2.037j.
>
> 73,
>
> Ray W2RS
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 20:43:02 -0500
> From: "Merle Bone" <merlebone at charter.net>
> Subject: [TenTec] Headphone Audio Levels
> To: <tentec at contesting.com>
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> Barry N1EU wrote:
> Anybody else experiencing a noticeable reduction in headphone output
> level (volume) in 2.059, compared to v1?"
>
> Yes, the headphone audio levels on V2.059 are down quite a bit from the V1 code and the "Aux Audio Out" is also down substantially. I had to switch my "AUX Main Audio out" from the Line-in on my sound card to the MIC-in on the sound card to get comparable levels into the computer.
>
> 73,
> Merle - W0EWM
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 8
> Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 19:18:54 -0700
> From: <emoss98133 at msn.com>
> Subject: [TenTec] Orion 2  voice recorder prob
> To: "ten-tec" <tentec at contesting.com>
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> has anyone tried to record a send message in send 1 through send 3.  when I try to record a message I get a bad squeel in the speaker, turning the volume all the way off and then record a message. then when you play it back it has a high level noise imposed over my voice.
>
> Ed     K7WIA
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 21:34:10 -0500
> From: "Merle Bone" <merlebone at charter.net>
> Subject: [TenTec] V2.059 Aux Audio Levels
> To: <tentec at contesting.com>
> Message-ID: <001f01c6d481$99efff30$0302a8c0 at W0EWM>
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> I finally had to go back to V1.373b5 to make sure all the knobs on the front panel worked the way I thought they did. I have returned to V2.059d and it certainly looks to me like the "AUX Audio Output" levels are now controlled by the front panel Main and Sub AF knobs (No longer being fixed in level) - as well as being low in level. I would appreciate it if someone else with and Orion could check this. I did not see a note on this in the change history but I have a feeling that there may have been some big changes in the audio chain of the V2 Orion.
>
> Thanks,
> Merle - W0EWM
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 10
> Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 03:09:25 +0000
> From: "Barry Gross" <barry.n1eu at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [TenTec] V2.059 Aux Audio Levels
> To: "Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment" <tentec at contesting.com>
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> Yes, aux audio out level in 2.059 does depend on the AF controls to
> some extent, although it's not a linear relationship throughout the AF
> control range.
>
> 73,
> Barry N1EU
>
> On 9/10/06, Merle Bone <merlebone at charter.net> wrote:
>   
>> I finally had to go back to V1.373b5 to make sure all the knobs on the front panel worked the way I thought they did. I have returned to V2.059d and it certainly looks to me like the "AUX Audio Output" levels are now controlled by the front panel Main and Sub AF knobs (No longer being fixed in level) - as well as being low in level. I would appreciate it if someone else with and Orion could check this
>>     
>
>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 22:10:10 -0500
> From: "Grant Youngman" <nq5t at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [TenTec] Headphone Audio Levels
> To: "'Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment'" <tentec at contesting.com>
> Message-ID: <000c01c6d486$a0fd9f80$3c01100a at SonyVaio>
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>   
>> Yes, the headphone audio levels on V2.059 are down quite a 
>> bit from the V1 code and the "Aux Audio Out" is also down 
>> substantially. 
>>     
>
> Haven't tried the AUX out yet, but the headphone output seems to be down in
> both 2.037 and 2.059.
>
> Grant/NQ5T
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 12
> Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 22:14:02 -0500
> From: "Grant Youngman" <nq5t at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [TenTec] AUTO ANT SWITCHING BROKE 2.037j
> To: "'Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment'" <tentec at contesting.com>
> Message-ID: <000d01c6d487$2aa94e50$3c01100a at SonyVaio>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
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>  
>   
>> The antenna does not change from ANT1 for 160-30M and ANT2 
>> for the beam 20-10 meters. As a result if I'm not paying 
>> attention to the selected antenna I may be transmitting into 
>> the wrong antenna.
>>     
>
> Did you reset the antenna menu after loading the new software?
>
> It is working for manual band selection.
>
> Grant/NQ5T
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 00:12:45 EDT
> From: K4IA at aol.com
> Subject: [TenTec] More on the blue screen of death 2.059
> To: tentec at contesting.com, orion565 at yahoogroups.com
> Cc: ditsnbits at tentec.com
> Message-ID: <c4e.242b820.3234eabd at aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> The 2.059 blues:
>  
> To recap:  After pushing the SUB RX button to VFO B, everything  died.  That 
> is the second crash with 2.059. The first happened when I did a  Master Reset 
> after loading 2.059 the first time.
>  
> Reloading 2.059 would not bring the radio back to life.  Neither would  a 
> Master Reset or a Ram Reset.    Each time, I had reload to  2.057.  I then 
> reloaded 2.059, did a Master Reset and then all seemed well  enough until I turned 
> the radio off and turned it back on again  later.  Guess what?  Dead.  Blank 
> screen.
>  
> Again, I loaded 2.057 and got it working then I loaded 2.059, did a Master  
> Reset and it worked until I turned the radio off and on again - then it was  
> dead.  This has now happened three times in a row.  Enough is  enough. 
>  
> For the short periods of time I have been able to run 2.059, I have found  
> nothing worthy of keeping.  Raspy distorted CW note with the NR turned  on.  
> Otherwise, minimal improvement from the NR.  Odd action from  the AGC that now 
> seems even hotter than the old one which was way too hot.
>  
> I am going back to 2.057 until they get this fixed.  1.371 looks  better all 
> the time.  
>
> k4ia
> Craig  "Buck"
> Fredericksburg, Virginia  USA
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 21:30:20 -0700
> From: "Ron Castro" <ronc at sonic.net>
> Subject: Re: [TenTec] Orion 2  voice recorder prob
> To: "Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment" <tentec at contesting.com>
> Message-ID: <01fa01c6d491$d31e69d0$1703a8c0 at Ronlap>
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> So far I have only tried Send 1 and 2 but no problems.  I used headphones 
> while recording.
>
> Ron N6AHA
>
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> Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 7:18 PM
> Subject: [TenTec] Orion 2 voice recorder prob
>
>
>   
>> has anyone tried to record a send message in send 1 through send 3.  when 
>> I try to record a message I get a bad squeel in the speaker, turning the 
>> volume all the way off and then record a message. then when you play it 
>> back it has a high level noise imposed over my voice.
>>
>> Ed     K7WIA
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> Message: 15
> Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 21:37:27 -0700
> From: <emoss98133 at msn.com>
> Subject: [TenTec] Orion 2 voice recorder problem fixed
> To: "ten-tec" <tentec at contesting.com>
> Message-ID: <BAY110-DAV53266D1A2C162B4455CB192350 at phx.gbl>
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> did a master reset and a ram clear,,  every thing OK now..
>
> Ed K7WIA
>
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