[RFI] Alarm Systems and EMI/EMC
k8ri at rogerhalstead.com
Sat May 9 21:54:10 PDT 2009
Dennis Vernacchia wrote:
> here is a more detailed answer from my amigo John WB6IQS who has a lot of
> practical experience in the EMI/EMC field.
> 73, Dennis N6KI
> Security Systems:
> They are all over the place actually. Honeywell uses 345 MHz, GE uses 319.5
> and Linear has numerous frequencies but most of them now are on 315 MHz.
> There are also some narrow band FM European types that are imported into the
> US that operate on 433.92 MHz.
> The security receivers are generally superhets now, fairly broad in
> frequency bandwidth (+/- 125 KHz) and they typically use pulse position
> encoded AM modulation. Older systems have super-regenerative receivers that
> are much more susceptible to outside interference.
> Garage door operators:
> These are all over the place. 372.5 MHz for Genie, 390 MHz for Chamberlain
> (old frequency), 315 - 318 MHz is commonly used now for Chamberlain and
> Linear products.
> Other systems had 288, 310, 318 MHz all the way up to 433.92 MHz.
I would think that most in the VHF - UHF range would be easily
overloaded and blocked. They may not decode due to being blocked, but
one being next door to a 440 system might be down most of the time. The
one batch of imports operates right on the section of the 440 band used
for repeater links.
> Most garage door operators are also AM pulse modulation and some of the
> cheap systems still use super-regenerative receivers. These receivers
> are about 5 MHz wide in bandwidth for only -3dB down. Really broad as a
> barn door.
Garage door openers are notorious for failing to respond to control
signals with signals that block them and they are not much more than an
wide open front end.
> Sorry that there is no easy answer but "that's the way it is".
> Ham HF or VHF operation is unlikely to cause false alarms. For HF
> frequencies we are far enough away that the only problem might be that their
> EMI microprocessor noise may interfere with our receivers. For VHF/UHF
> operations we may jam them for a short while, but they will normally reject
> our FM signals since they only demodulate AM pulse coded signals.
> I have heard of a number of instances where very high power HF stations
> caused false alarms to the panels, but that was due to so much RF saturating
> the remote signal wires that the ICs sensed a push button or sensor signal
> where there really was no signal. Using some ferrite cores and wrapping
> the sensor wires around the core at the alarm panel fixed these problems.
> The new microprocessors are getting very fast, have more EMI output and
> are more sensitive to outside EMI. Every time that Microchip does a die
> shrink to make their processors faster, cheaper and better we get bit in the
> John Kuivinen, WB6IQS
> EMI/EMC Engineer
> Linear LLC
> Carlsbad, CA.
> On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 7:52 PM, Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 09 May 2009 12:28:05 -0700, Michael Tope wrote:
>>> Anyone know any home security equipment dealers who are hams or who
>>> know anything about EMI/EMC?
>> No experience with these guys, but security systems are notorious
>> for RFI susceptibility. FWIW -- that 300 MHz range is commonly used
>> for garage doors and remote control of A/V systems. I don't know of
>> instances of RFI to the RF functions, but expect problems with RFI
>> to other circuitry. The usual fixes are twisted pair wiring, caps
>> across wiring from dry contacts, and chokes to kill common mode.
>> Jim K9YC
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