[RFI] Cree LED Bulbs?

[Mike Ryan]

The box that these lights come in from Lowes says they are LED lights.  I 
bought one today and I am sending it to a friend to take a look at along 
with a power supply.  He wants to look it over to see what can be done. But 
for now it appears that I am scr...d, blued, and tatooed.
-M

-----Original Message----- 
From: Dale
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 12:21 AM
To: ka5s at earthlink.net ; rfi at contesting.com
Subject: Re: [RFI] Cree LED Bulbs?

Cortland, Mike, Kurt, and All,

If you go back to my post of a few days ago, it sounds as if I may have 
scored a direct hit (by dumb accident) on this system; after careful reading 
of Mike's information, it does sound like the manufacturer is using a 
simple, iron core transformer to go from 120 VAC to 12 VAC. That's the good 
news.

Now, one thing I have not seen Mike comment on is if the devices inside 
those lamp heads are bulbs or LEDs. If they are LEDs, I can tell you that 
there are several manufacturers out there making specialized ICs that serve 
as the constant current controllers for LEDs. If they are bulbs, then I 
agree with Kurt's comments about bulbs not caring if they get AC or DC. 
Either way, the picture I am getting is that we have a low voltage, 
relatively high current wired distribution system that goes from the 
step-down transformer to the individual lamp heads. The problem may well 
then be what's inside those heads, particularly if the lighting devices are 
LEDs.


Since cost is always THE driver these days (sad, but true), I can tell you 
that I have been shocked by the number of app notes I have seen from the LED 
constant current guys about circuits to use their ships and in which there 
is little or even NO suppression of switching noise on the input side of the 
device. Some of these chips are meant to run on low voltage AC input, and 
then the constant current controiller is a specialized switcher that outputs 
DC to the LEDs. So, the bad news is that my "guess" about each lamp head 
containing a small switcher might be correct. If it is, wow - what a mess!



-----Original Message-----
>From: Cortland Richmond <ka5s at earthlink.net>
>Sent: Mar 11, 2013 9:21 PM
>To: rfi at contesting.com
>Subject: Re: [RFI] Cree LED Bulbs?
>
>On 3/11/2013 2125, Cortland Richmond wrote:
>> On 3/11/2013 1952, Mike Ryan wrote:
>>> The landscaping lights turn out to be 12 volt AC powered and not 12
>>> volt DC powered.  All the suggestions about a car battery and/or an
>>> Astron or other linear power supply now go out the window.  -M
>>>
>>
>> But the converter is still very likely a switch-type converter;
>> modern-day efficiency rules often rule out transformers on account of
>> core losses.
>>
>>
>> Cortland Richmond
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>And even if it does use a linear 12VAC transformer, the LED's themselves
>require a constant current source -- and probably incorporate switching
>regulators at each fixture. Have you contacted the system maker?
>
>
>Cortland
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