[RFI] Cree LED Bulbs?

[Mike Ryan]

Thanks for the big picture.  But aside from driving over the guy's lawn and 
taking out the lights with a couple of figure '8s', the question is how to 
get rid of the noise.
-m

-----Original Message----- 
From: Pete Smith N4ZR
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 6:46 AM
To: rfi at contesting.com
Subject: Re: [RFI] Cree LED Bulbs?

Scrood indeed, but the good news is that Lowes and Home Depot (if they
are carrying the same type) may be big enough to be susceptible to
pressure.  What these systems are doing is contrary to FCC regs, and the
RFI people at ARRL HQ (Ed Hare, W1RFI, is very knowledgeable) may be
willing to get involved.  A few years ago, they scored a notable success
by getting the makes of the Homeplug LAN hardware to notch out the ham
bands.

73, Pete N4ZR
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On 3/12/2013 12:27 AM, Mike Ryan wrote:
> The box that these lights come in from Lowes says they are LED lights.  I 
> bought one today and I am sending it to a friend to take a look at along 
> with a power supply.  He wants to look it over to see what can be done. 
> But for now it appears that I am scr...d, blued, and tatooed.
> -M
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Dale
> Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 12:21 AM
> To: ka5s at earthlink.net ; rfi at contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [RFI] Cree LED Bulbs?
>
> Cortland, Mike, Kurt, and All,
>
> If you go back to my post of a few days ago, it sounds as if I may have 
> scored a direct hit (by dumb accident) on this system; after careful 
> reading of Mike's information, it does sound like the manufacturer is 
> using a simple, iron core transformer to go from 120 VAC to 12 VAC. That's 
> the good news.
>
> Now, one thing I have not seen Mike comment on is if the devices inside 
> those lamp heads are bulbs or LEDs. If they are LEDs, I can tell you that 
> there are several manufacturers out there making specialized ICs that 
> serve as the constant current controllers for LEDs. If they are bulbs, 
> then I agree with Kurt's comments about bulbs not caring if they get AC or 
> DC. Either way, the picture I am getting is that we have a low voltage, 
> relatively high current wired distribution system that goes from the 
> step-down transformer to the individual lamp heads. The problem may well 
> then be what's inside those heads, particularly if the lighting devices 
> are LEDs.
>
>
> Since cost is always THE driver these days (sad, but true), I can tell you 
> that I have been shocked by the number of app notes I have seen from the 
> LED constant current guys about circuits to use their ships and in which 
> there is little or even NO suppression of switching noise on the input 
> side of the device. Some of these chips are meant to run on low voltage AC 
> input, and then the constant current controiller is a specialized switcher 
> that outputs DC to the LEDs. So, the bad news is that my "guess" about 
> each lamp head containing a small switcher might be correct. If it is, 
> wow - what a mess!
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Cortland Richmond <ka5s at earthlink.net>
>> Sent: Mar 11, 2013 9:21 PM
>> To: rfi at contesting.com
>> Subject: Re: [RFI] Cree LED Bulbs?
>>
>> On 3/11/2013 2125, Cortland Richmond wrote:
>>> On 3/11/2013 1952, Mike Ryan wrote:
>>>> The landscaping lights turn out to be 12 volt AC powered and not 12
>>>> volt DC powered.  All the suggestions about a car battery and/or an
>>>> Astron or other linear power supply now go out the window. -M
>>>>
>>>
>>> But the converter is still very likely a switch-type converter;
>>> modern-day efficiency rules often rule out transformers on account of
>>> core losses.
>>>
>>>
>>> Cortland Richmond
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>>
>> And even if it does use a linear 12VAC transformer, the LED's themselves
>> require a constant current source -- and probably incorporate switching
>> regulators at each fixture. Have you contacted the system maker?
>>
>>
>> Cortland
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