[RFI] LED Bulbs

Wed Feb 12 12:12:53 EST 2014

Exactly Ed, you said it better than I in para 1.  

Para 2 says what I've been trying to do, but it's a delicate thing and I'm not going into a neighborhood food fight, it's important to me, but not to them, they aren't hams and probably think I'm a little bit nutty for being one, :)

Para. 3, maybe someone that has some authority will read this thread.

Thanks Ed

73
Dale, k9vuj

On 12, Feb 2014, at 10:53, Ed Douglass <efdouglass37 at gmail.com> wrote:

> David Robbins' argument is interesting but it takes the focus away, it
> seems to me, from what should be the primary point of our efforts.  The
> point is that the FCC's job in the first instance is to regulate the
> manufacturers and importers of electronic equipment so that the equipment
> does not cause interference to licensed users of the radio spectrum.  If
> such regulation had been enforced, then we amateurs would not need to be
> approaching our neighbors about their RFI-generating appliances.
> 
> For the RFI-generating equipment already in the country, then we will have
> to approach our neighbors and hope we have the FCC's backing if our efforts
> fail.
> 
> For the long haul, however, we need to use ourselves and our ARRL to get
> the FCC to enforce its rules (and tighten them, where necessary).
> 
> 73 de Ed, AA9OZ
> 
> 
> On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 6:50 AM, David Robbins <k1ttt at verizon.net> wrote:
> 
>> well, if your neighbor was stealing gas from your car would you report it
>> to the police???  or would you expect them to be checking the level in your
>> tank for you every day to see if some was missing?  if your neighbor was
>> running nightly parties that kept you awake would you confront them about
>> it?  if they didn't stop would you call the police??  or would you expect
>> police to be checking for all noise in the neighborhood to stop at a 9pm
>> curfew???  if you saw your neighbor dealing drugs out of his house would
>> you report it to police or just assume that they will eventually figure out
>> that something was going on and catch them without your help??
>> 
>> If you don't inform your neighbor that their tv is causing interference
>> (preferably the first week then have it) and coach them to return it to the
>> manufacturer as a defective device for violating part 15 or 97 or whatever
>> it might be, who will??  if they don't then fix it, and you don't report it
>> to the fcc, then who will??  The fcc, like the local police, can't be
>> everywhere all the time to find intermittent local interference sources.
>> they are busy enough trying to take care of those who do file complaints
>> without going around looking for more work.
>> 
>> 
>> Feb 12, 2014 05:12:16 AM, dj2001x at comcast.net wrote:
>> 
>> With all the regulations "since 1920's", why then am I still plagued with
>> a plasma TV next door?? Eight years it's been.
>> 
>> Am I the responsible person to go to my next door neighbors, inform them
>> they have an illegal TV and demand they get rid of it??
>> 
>> Kurt, respectfully, you can cite all the rules and regulation etc you
>> want, but the fact of the matter is, we are not protected. They import (or
>> build it in country) this junk that causes interference and nothing is
>> being done about it, unless I do it myself demanding they get rid of the
>> noise maker, plasma TV and light dimmers. I ain't gonna do that. I guess I
>> could relocate as many have already done, being driven away from man made
>> noise.
>> 
>> It's not my job to enforce those regulations, the government entity that
>> is supposed to oversee, don't.
>> 
>> If these devices don't fall under the part 15 or whatever part, then why
>> aren't new regulations made that do? It's still up to the government
>> regulate these interference making devices, but.....here we are, light
>> dimmers, plasma tvs, fish tank heaters, dog water dish heaters, hot tub
>> equipment etc. It's continued to be mfg, sold and used. Now we have to
>> watch out for the LED lights they'll be in your neighborhood soon.
>> 
>> No oversight, no protection.
>> 
>> 73
>> Dale, k9vuj
>> 
>> 
>> On 11, Feb 2014, at 22:17, "KD7JYK DM09" wrote:
>> 
>>> : Nothing. I guess the rules don't provide us any protection from this
>>> junk.
>>> 
>>> When did this mentality take hold? We've been protected from interference
>>> since the 1920's. Does anyone bother to familiarize themselves with the
>>> rules (actually, Code Of Federal Regulations, Telecommunications) any
>> more?
>>> 
>>> Do you want every POS ever made removed, or just the one, MAYBE two units
>>> you actually hear that is affecting you?
>>> 
>>> Start with CFR 47, Part 97, so you know who you are and what rights and
>>> privileges your license offers you, then, check out CFR 47, Part 15 and
>> 18
>>> for all the stuff that's not permitted to interfere with you and what
>> steps
>>> everyone else must take to rectify it. In your research, you will also
>> find
>>> copies of notices referring to interference caused to other, letters of
>>> forfeiture (fines), some in the hundreds of thousands of dollars and even
>>> notices to cease all operation, all due to interference to "amateur"
>> radio.
>>> 
>>> Kurt
>>> 
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