[RFI] FCC RFI Question

Sat Aug 18 19:07:27 EDT 2018

For me, I will probably set up my K3 at a remote location, and Internet 
into it...  Sigh...  All my radial field needs to be redone...

73s and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z/NNR0DC)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Technical Specialist

On 08/18/2018 03:48 PM, David Harmon wrote:
>>> Run for cover to EchoLink.  hi hi<<
> 
> Gawd noooo.....
> 
> On the remote operation thing....what is the usual procedure?
> Buy time from someone that has a good station out in the weeds or buy some property and set up your own?
> 
> 
> 73
> 
> David Harmon
> K6XYZ
> Sperry, OK
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: RFI [mailto:rfi-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Bob W7KD via RFI
> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 4:10 PM
> To: Dave Cole (NK7Z) <dave at nk7z.net>; rfi at contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [RFI] FCC RFI Question
> 
> 
> Giving up is the easy way out.
> Run for cover to EchoLink.  hi hi
> 
> Bob W7KD
> 
>        From: Dave Cole (NK7Z) <dave at nk7z.net>
>   To: rfi at contesting.com
>   Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 1:30 PM
>   Subject: Re: [RFI] FCC RFI Question
>     
> I have been considering more and more, remoting my entire station.
> 
> 73s and thanks,
> Dave (NK7Z/NNR0DC)
> https://www.nk7z.net
> ARRL Technical Specialist
> 
> On 08/18/2018 11:08 AM, W0MU Mike Fatchett wrote:
>> This is why Remote Ham Radio is and will continue to be a huge thing.
>> I understand those that wish to chase awards all from a single
>> location etc.  Hopefully there is more to the hobby than Honor Roll.
>>
>> Nobody knows when their day is coming, these issues are just as
>> important to the young or old.
>>
>> We in the west are constantly told by those on the East Coast to move
>> if we wanted to be treated fairly in contests.  Moving is probably not
>> an option for most, but if a move is in the works it becomes even more
>> important to put high noise cities in directions not toward EU or what
>> you are really wanting to work.    I know a number of hams that want a
>> place near Denver but they will only look for places where Denver
>> metropolis is not in a good path EU, JA, etc.
>>
>> Peoples conveniences are probably going to win out over our little
>> hobby as the light rail noise generators are now about 2 miles from my
>> house and will extend closer and closer and there is nothing I will be
>> able to do to fight it.
>>
>> W0MU
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/18/2018 10:17 AM, Dave Cole (NK7Z) wrote:
>>> Rob,
>>>
>>> If only I were a young man again, then I would not be as patient as I
>>> am today...  Please take the next few paragraphs in the vain they are
>>> given.  Respectfully.
>>>
>>> Let me re-quote something I said in this very thread:
>>>
>>> ==========CUT==========
>>> I well understand your frustration with your RFI issues...  I am many
>>> months out in not being able to use HF at all due to RFI.  I am
>>> frustrated beyond belief.  Why?  My hobby of 50 years is now at an
>>> end until the FCC corrects the issue, I may not get Honor Roll as a
>>> result of this, I am 65, my time is running short.  The next sunspot
>>> peak may be my last...  You bet I am pissed, but I am also careful,
>>> and thoughtful, and I want a solution that sticks, and more
>>> importantly is good for the Amateur Community as a whole.
>>> ==========CUT==========
>>>
>>> My goal is to correct the problem in the shortest possible time,
>>> using all legal means possible.  We have no choice in this, unless we
>>> break the law.
>>>
>>> Here are some of our choices:
>>>
>>> 1.  Take the slow, and what I feel is a more effective course.
>>> 2.  Scream and yell, and hope you get results.
>>> 3.  Do something stupid and end up in jail, or worse.
>>> 4.  Quit ham radio.
>>> 5.  Work around the RFI until you can get it corrected.
>>>
>>> Items 2, 3, and 4 are not acceptable to me, and should not be to you
>>> either.  Items 1 ,and 4 are acceptable.
>>>
>>> We simply have no choice in this if we are to remain law abiding, and
>>> I intend to do just that, remain law abiding...
>>>
>>> Carping, yelling, screaming, kicking the floor, and foot stomping,
>>> just make things worse for everyone.  On top of that, those steps are
>>> simply not an effective use of our time to correct this problem.  I
>>> want to use my remaining years as effectively as possible, and that
>>> means working within the existing system in a way that is effective.
>>> Using ineffective methods just wastes my remaining years.
>>>
>>> The world has changed, if we can't adopt--  well there was once a
>>> species of lizards called dinosaurs, we all know how that ended...
>>>
>>> Remember in VE land their version of the FCC just stopped enforcement
>>> completely...  Your ONLY recourse there is via the court system...
>>> You it takes time now in the US...
>>>
>>> Running around and throwing rocks might work once, but more than
>>> likely it will make it worse for you, and for others.  Take the time
>>> to think things through, do it right and you sometimes get rewarded.
>>>
>>> I have had seven grow light RFI issues in the past 5 years.  All of
>>> them but my current issue have been quickly solved, without the FCC,
>>> or the ARRL even being involved.  How?  Documentation, a friendly
>>> approach, and avoiding conflict where possible.
>>>
>>> I dislike RFI as much as you, possibly more, I am ticked as hell at
>>> having to play all of these games!  I just want to play radio on 40
>>> meters in the early mornings.  I can't, and it pisses me off every
>>> morning I get up and can't.  I have a legal right to do this, and not
>>> have to put up with RFI at these levels, but...  In the real world,
>>> enforcement is not always equal, and it is not what it used to be.
>>>
>>> I will correct this.  If I have to write my Congressman to get
>>> action, I will correct this.
>>>
>>> If it comes to that, and I hope it does not, I want to insure I have
>>> done EVERYTHING correctly, and legally.  The goal is to win the war,
>>> not just one battle.  I want 40 meters back, and I will get it
>>> back...  But, as I said, sometimes solving RFI just takes time.
>>>
>>> It is not fair, but the world is not fair...  I wish it were... So
>>> yes, I do understand your position, I am in that same position...
>>>
>>> Remember, the FCC is really on our side, and they are just as
>>> hamstrung as we are with legal issues.  There is no magic wand for
>>> this...
>>>
>>> Take care, and I hope your RFI gets solved sooner than later...
>>>
>>> 73s and thanks,
>>> Dave (NK7Z/NNR0DC)
>>> https://www.nk7z.net
>>> ARRL Technical Specialist
>>>
>>> On 08/17/2018 06:09 PM, Rob Atkinson wrote:
>>>>> I am happy with this response, and will wait for things to take
>>>>> their course.
>>>>> Again, slow, steady, and making sure you cross every "t", and dot
>>>>> every "i" seems to work for me. So far...
>>>>
>>>>> Solving RFI just takes lots of time...
>>>>
>>>> That's FB for a young ham with his whole life ahead of him.  But for
>>>> the rest of us getting up there in years, we see the time of our
>>>> precious few remaining good ham years slipping away while we wait
>>>> for something to happen and listen to noise in the mean time. Pretty
>>>> tough to be patient when you can't be certain if you'll be around
>>>> for a year or another 10 and one of the few joys of your life is
>>>> gone because some jerk with a solar panel or grow light or something else.
>>>> I guess this helps explain why HF is so empty now.  An old man just
>>>> don't have the energy and fight for this kind of battle.
>>>>
>>>> 73
>>>> Rob
>>>> K5UJ
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