[RFI] FCC RFI Question

Mon Aug 20 12:25:23 EDT 2018

My odd thought on this never ending issue:

Maybe a large portion of the ham op community should file for MARS 
affiliation?

I can imagine many smiles would instantly disappear when told their 
solar panel installation were/are disrupting a military affiliate radio 
station.

Gary...wa6fgi

On 8/18/2018 10:56 PM, Dave Cole (NK7Z) wrote:
> Dale,
> Can you send me a copy of the complaint forms please...  This tears up 
> my SHARES net participation.
>
> 73s and thanks,
> Dave (NK7Z/NNR0DC)
> https://www.nk7z.net
> ARRL Technical Specialist
>
> On 08/18/2018 05:24 PM, Dale Johnson wrote:
>> For a hobby I don’t think so.  For MARS it will be different.  
>> Interference on military frequenies takes to a higher level.  I don’t 
>> plan to move anywhere.
>>
>> I’ll have to tough it out and fill complaint forms when needed.
>>
>> Dale, k9vuj
>>
>>
>>
>> On 18, Aug 2018, at 17:48, David Harmon <k6xyz at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>>> Run for cover to EchoLink.  hi hi<<
>>
>> Gawd noooo.....
>>
>> On the remote operation thing....what is the usual procedure?
>> Buy time from someone that has a good station out in the weeds or buy 
>> some property and set up your own?
>>
>>
>> 73
>>
>> David Harmon
>> K6XYZ
>> Sperry, OK
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: RFI [mailto:rfi-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Bob W7KD 
>> via RFI
>> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 4:10 PM
>> To: Dave Cole (NK7Z) <dave at nk7z.net>; rfi at contesting.com
>> Subject: Re: [RFI] FCC RFI Question
>>
>>
>> Giving up is the easy way out.
>> Run for cover to EchoLink.  hi hi
>>
>> Bob W7KD
>>
>>       From: Dave Cole (NK7Z) <dave at nk7z.net>
>> To: rfi at contesting.com
>> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 1:30 PM
>> Subject: Re: [RFI] FCC RFI Question
>>
>> I have been considering more and more, remoting my entire station.
>>
>> 73s and thanks,
>> Dave (NK7Z/NNR0DC)
>> https://www.nk7z.net
>> ARRL Technical Specialist
>>
>> On 08/18/2018 11:08 AM, W0MU Mike Fatchett wrote:
>>> This is why Remote Ham Radio is and will continue to be a huge thing.
>>> I understand those that wish to chase awards all from a single
>>> location etc.  Hopefully there is more to the hobby than Honor Roll.
>>>
>>> Nobody knows when their day is coming, these issues are just as
>>> important to the young or old.
>>>
>>> We in the west are constantly told by those on the East Coast to move
>>> if we wanted to be treated fairly in contests.  Moving is probably not
>>> an option for most, but if a move is in the works it becomes even more
>>> important to put high noise cities in directions not toward EU or what
>>> you are really wanting to work.    I know a number of hams that want a
>>> place near Denver but they will only look for places where Denver
>>> metropolis is not in a good path EU, JA, etc.
>>>
>>> Peoples conveniences are probably going to win out over our little
>>> hobby as the light rail noise generators are now about 2 miles from my
>>> house and will extend closer and closer and there is nothing I will be
>>> able to do to fight it.
>>>
>>> W0MU
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/18/2018 10:17 AM, Dave Cole (NK7Z) wrote:
>>>> Rob,
>>>>
>>>> If only I were a young man again, then I would not be as patient as I
>>>> am today...  Please take the next few paragraphs in the vain they are
>>>> given.  Respectfully.
>>>>
>>>> Let me re-quote something I said in this very thread:
>>>>
>>>> ==========CUT==========
>>>> I well understand your frustration with your RFI issues... I am many
>>>> months out in not being able to use HF at all due to RFI.  I am
>>>> frustrated beyond belief.  Why?  My hobby of 50 years is now at an
>>>> end until the FCC corrects the issue, I may not get Honor Roll as a
>>>> result of this, I am 65, my time is running short.  The next sunspot
>>>> peak may be my last...  You bet I am pissed, but I am also careful,
>>>> and thoughtful, and I want a solution that sticks, and more
>>>> importantly is good for the Amateur Community as a whole.
>>>> ==========CUT==========
>>>>
>>>> My goal is to correct the problem in the shortest possible time,
>>>> using all legal means possible.  We have no choice in this, unless we
>>>> break the law.
>>>>
>>>> Here are some of our choices:
>>>>
>>>> 1.  Take the slow, and what I feel is a more effective course.
>>>> 2.  Scream and yell, and hope you get results.
>>>> 3.  Do something stupid and end up in jail, or worse.
>>>> 4.  Quit ham radio.
>>>> 5.  Work around the RFI until you can get it corrected.
>>>>
>>>> Items 2, 3, and 4 are not acceptable to me, and should not be to you
>>>> either.  Items 1 ,and 4 are acceptable.
>>>>
>>>> We simply have no choice in this if we are to remain law abiding, and
>>>> I intend to do just that, remain law abiding...
>>>>
>>>> Carping, yelling, screaming, kicking the floor, and foot stomping,
>>>> just make things worse for everyone.  On top of that, those steps are
>>>> simply not an effective use of our time to correct this problem.  I
>>>> want to use my remaining years as effectively as possible, and that
>>>> means working within the existing system in a way that is effective.
>>>> Using ineffective methods just wastes my remaining years.
>>>>
>>>> The world has changed, if we can't adopt--  well there was once a
>>>> species of lizards called dinosaurs, we all know how that ended...
>>>>
>>>> Remember in VE land their version of the FCC just stopped enforcement
>>>> completely...  Your ONLY recourse there is via the court system...
>>>> You it takes time now in the US...
>>>>
>>>> Running around and throwing rocks might work once, but more than
>>>> likely it will make it worse for you, and for others.  Take the time
>>>> to think things through, do it right and you sometimes get rewarded.
>>>>
>>>> I have had seven grow light RFI issues in the past 5 years. All of
>>>> them but my current issue have been quickly solved, without the FCC,
>>>> or the ARRL even being involved.  How?  Documentation, a friendly
>>>> approach, and avoiding conflict where possible.
>>>>
>>>> I dislike RFI as much as you, possibly more, I am ticked as hell at
>>>> having to play all of these games!  I just want to play radio on 40
>>>> meters in the early mornings.  I can't, and it pisses me off every
>>>> morning I get up and can't.  I have a legal right to do this, and not
>>>> have to put up with RFI at these levels, but...  In the real world,
>>>> enforcement is not always equal, and it is not what it used to be.
>>>>
>>>> I will correct this.  If I have to write my Congressman to get
>>>> action, I will correct this.
>>>>
>>>> If it comes to that, and I hope it does not, I want to insure I have
>>>> done EVERYTHING correctly, and legally.  The goal is to win the war,
>>>> not just one battle.  I want 40 meters back, and I will get it
>>>> back...  But, as I said, sometimes solving RFI just takes time.
>>>>
>>>> It is not fair, but the world is not fair...  I wish it were... So
>>>> yes, I do understand your position, I am in that same position...
>>>>
>>>> Remember, the FCC is really on our side, and they are just as
>>>> hamstrung as we are with legal issues.  There is no magic wand for
>>>> this...
>>>>
>>>> Take care, and I hope your RFI gets solved sooner than later...
>>>>
>>>> 73s and thanks,
>>>> Dave (NK7Z/NNR0DC)
>>>> https://www.nk7z.net
>>>> ARRL Technical Specialist
>>>>
>>>> On 08/17/2018 06:09 PM, Rob Atkinson wrote:
>>>>>> I am happy with this response, and will wait for things to take
>>>>>> their course.
>>>>>> Again, slow, steady, and making sure you cross every "t", and dot
>>>>>> every "i" seems to work for me. So far...
>>>>>
>>>>>> Solving RFI just takes lots of time...
>>>>>
>>>>> That's FB for a young ham with his whole life ahead of him.  But for
>>>>> the rest of us getting up there in years, we see the time of our
>>>>> precious few remaining good ham years slipping away while we wait
>>>>> for something to happen and listen to noise in the mean time. Pretty
>>>>> tough to be patient when you can't be certain if you'll be around
>>>>> for a year or another 10 and one of the few joys of your life is
>>>>> gone because some jerk with a solar panel or grow light or 
>>>>> something else.
>>>>> I guess this helps explain why HF is so empty now.  An old man just
>>>>> don't have the energy and fight for this kind of battle.
>>>>>
>>>>> 73
>>>>> Rob
>>>>> K5UJ
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