[RFI] RFI Digest, Vol 198, Issue 21
Cortland Richmond
ka5s at earthlink.net
Fri Aug 2 13:35:18 EDT 2019
FWIW department; a local Batteries Plus has four kinds of solid state
ballasts for sale; two have no FCC markings, one says it's for
commercial use only (in VERY small print) and the one that references
Part 18 says "FCC Part 18A". NO progress since 2014.
(http://www.arrl.org/files/file/About%20ARRL/Committee%20Reports/2014/July/Doc_20b.pdf)
Cortland -- KA5S, semiretired
(Contract work via Belcan LLC)
> One problem with the lighting industry is that they, in general, are
> unaware of the FCC requirements placed on their segment. Nearly all the
> lighting projects I've done indicate the lighting segment is unaware of any
> requirements placed on them by the FCC. Once made aware, they usually
> continue to honor FCC.
>
> Only a strong FCC can do anything about China. Not complaining. Just
> stating reality.
>
> Dave - WØLEV
> EMC Design & Test, LLC
>
> On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 3:19 PM Mike Pansini <kf5yub at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> This light quest; I don't understand why I'm the only person actually doing
>> something instead of complaining. There's the problem, people complain but
>> don't actually investigate, instead complain with no resolution. I will
>> re-iterate, everything electrical causes RFI, even the SUN. HF black outs
>> caused by solar … SUN.
>> Just because something is written doesn't mean it's fact or true. Get
>> involved and ask the right people, stop complaining.
>> 73,
>> Mike KF5YUB
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 11:00 AM <rfi-request at contesting.com> wrote:
>>
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>>> Today's Topics:
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>>> 1. Re: RFI Digest, Vol 198, Issue 19 (Dave Cole)
>>> 2. Re: RFI Digest, Vol 198, Issue 19 (David Eckhardt)
>>>
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>>>
>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 10:39:02 -0700
>>> From: Dave Cole <dave at nk7z.net>
>>> To: rfi at contesting.com
>>> Subject: Re: [RFI] RFI Digest, Vol 198, Issue 19
>>> Message-ID: <ee82547a-f40a-0d83-84db-7339035d017d at nk7z.net>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>>>
>>> Mike,
>>> I can't seem to locate any reference to FCC Part 15 at the link
>>> provided, can you point me at the FCC certified info on their web site
>>> please?
>>>
>>> 73, and thanks,
>>> Dave (NK7Z)
>>> https://www.nk7z.net
>>> ARRL Technical Specialist
>>> ARRL Volunteer Examiner
>>> ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources
>>>
>>> On 7/29/19 8:37 AM, Mike Pansini wrote:
>>>> Greetings,
>>>> To direstly answer the LED growing lights, find a company that is FCC
>>>> compliant and has proof of FCC as well as all the safety RoHS etc...
>> Ask
>>>> about their return policy.
>>>> After reading a thread from FCC about LED grow lights, I began to
>>> question
>>>> yard and street lights as well. I talked with the FCC regarding the
>> "grow
>>>> LEDs" causing interference. That's a fuzzy situation is about the
>> answer
>>> I
>>>> got. Clearly, I was told, if something is FCC certified, either a
>>> sticker,
>>>> pamphlet, other FCC paperwork is required by the FCC to accompany the
>>>> product. I think it's a lot of money to certify something and not
>> display
>>>> proof, be ware!! I tried a couple "FCC certified" LEDs only to find
>>>> problems with one manufacture stating "FCC" but no proof of FCC, and
>>> broken
>>>> electrical parts, or the product is not in compliant with FCC. They did
>>>> cause about a S-5, and S-3 QRN and that's not good for hearing weak
>>>> signals.
>>>> Look up *MORSEN* *Lighting*,* they are FCC certified*, and supply that
>>>> proof in the paperwork supplied with their products. They do cause
>> slight
>>>> QRN but may be an S-1 or less I found. I hope this helps you and your
>>> wife
>>>> have fun with your hobbies at the same time. I am growing about 50 Rare
>>>> Hungarian Paprika Peppers, some two Habaneros and two Serrano peppers.
>> I
>>>> grow bare root trees (Arbor Day Foundation), getting them ready for
>>>> outdoors...Golden Raintrees, Crape Mertyle bushes, Nanking Cherry
>> bushes
>>>> (finally made Nanking Cherry Jelly and syrup), Bodark tree, Passion
>>> fruit,
>>>> (enclosed porch) Rubber plants, Ponytail Palm tree.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.morsenled.com/ <https://www.morsenled.com/>
>>>>
>>>> 73,
>>>> Mike KF5YUB
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jul 28, 2019 at 11:00 AM <rfi-request at contesting.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Send RFI mailing list submissions to
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>>>>> Today's Topics:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. LED Grow Lights (Kim Elmore)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 1
>>>>> Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2019 21:09:50 -0500
>>>>> From: Kim Elmore <cw_de_n5op at sbcglobal.net>
>>>>> To: "rfi at contesting.com" <rfi at contesting.com>
>>>>> Subject: [RFI] LED Grow Lights
>>>>> Message-ID: <e76a5508-0cc1-f454-7061-c00bb023b8a2 at sbcglobal.net>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>>>>>
>>>>> My Wife enjoys starting garden plants form seed indoors and, up until
>> a
>>>>> few days ago, used a 175W metal halide lamp for the purpose. It used
>> and
>>>>> electronic ballast that, sadly, has bitten the dust. A new ballast is
>> a
>>>>> bit over half the cost of a much brighter and efficient LED grow
>> light.
>>>>> But I'm concerned about RFI since it almost certainly uses a switching
>>>>> supply. Does anyone have any direct knowledge of quiet LED grow lights
>>>>> in the "1000W" category. (I don't know where that term comes from, but
>>>>> these tend to be rated at ~165 W power usage.)
>>>>>
>>>>> Kim N5OP
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> Kim Elmore, Ph.D. (Adj. Assoc. Prof., OU School of Meteorology, CCM,
>> PP
>>>>> SEL/MEL/Glider, N5OP, 2nd Class Radiotelegraph, GROL)
>>>>>
>>>>> /"In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. But,
>> in
>>>>> practice, there is." //??? Attributed to many people; it???s so true
>>> that
>>>>> it
>>>>> doesn???t matter who said it./
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 18:26:08 +0000
>>> From: David Eckhardt <davearea51a at gmail.com>
>>> To: Mike Pansini <kf5yub at gmail.com>
>>> Cc: Rfi List <rfi at contesting.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [RFI] RFI Digest, Vol 198, Issue 19
>>> Message-ID:
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>>> CAODdWWEtkjN5U6UjdgGSe23Ci1ZF-dUS07qfmtNWt8qMXhc+cQ at mail.gmail.com>
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>>>
>>> Just a reminder of practices from China:
>>>
>>> Just because the product may carry the proper 'graffiti' on the
>> regulatory
>>> label (required for all Home and Small Office electronics - FCC Class B),
>>> does not mean any attention has been paid to design, testing and
>> approvals
>>> for EMC and Safely. I have tested and rejected many, if not most,
>>> products (mostly from China and even some from the US) that adhere to
>> this
>>> scenario. Printing and applying labels is cheap: "How many labels do
>> you
>>> need?". Designing, testing, and approving products for EMC and Safety is
>>> expensive (between $3K TO $30K on up, depending on complexity). Safety
>> is
>>> not necessarily required in the US. However, to justify the CE mark (N O
>>> T standing for China Export ! ! ! ! ! ! ), both safety and EMC must be
>>> conducted by an approved body. Most of us know this. However, because
>> of
>>> the example set by the Chinese, many legitimate US suppliers are taking a
>>> similar approach weighing cost against risk and reputation. Most get
>> away
>>> with the practice. A very few do not.
>>>
>>> *Bottom Line:* Don't take the presence of the the proper 'graffiti' on
>> the
>>> regulatory label as gospel. Request the documentation to justify what is
>> on
>>> the label. Read the report in total to verify it isn't assembled from
>>> multiple and non-related equipment and reports (another common practice
>>> from China).
>>>
>>> Been there. Done that. Experienced all of the above (and then some).
>>>
>>> Dave - W?LEV
>>> EMC Design & Test, LLC
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 3:37 PM Mike Pansini <kf5yub at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Greetings,
>>>> To direstly answer the LED growing lights, find a company that is FCC
>>>> compliant and has proof of FCC as well as all the safety RoHS etc...
>> Ask
>>>> about their return policy.
>>>> After reading a thread from FCC about LED grow lights, I began to
>>> question
>>>> yard and street lights as well. I talked with the FCC regarding the
>> "grow
>>>> LEDs" causing interference. That's a fuzzy situation is about the
>> answer
>>> I
>>>> got. Clearly, I was told, if something is FCC certified, either a
>>> sticker,
>>>> pamphlet, other FCC paperwork is required by the FCC to accompany the
>>>> product. I think it's a lot of money to certify something and not
>> display
>>>> proof, be ware!! I tried a couple "FCC certified" LEDs only to find
>>>> problems with one manufacture stating "FCC" but no proof of FCC, and
>>> broken
>>>> electrical parts, or the product is not in compliant with FCC. They did
>>>> cause about a S-5, and S-3 QRN and that's not good for hearing weak
>>>> signals.
>>>> Look up *MORSEN* *Lighting*,* they are FCC certified*, and supply that
>>>> proof in the paperwork supplied with their products. They do cause
>> slight
>>>> QRN but may be an S-1 or less I found. I hope this helps you and your
>>> wife
>>>> have fun with your hobbies at the same time. I am growing about 50 Rare
>>>> Hungarian Paprika Peppers, some two Habaneros and two Serrano peppers.
>> I
>>>> grow bare root trees (Arbor Day Foundation), getting them ready for
>>>> outdoors...Golden Raintrees, Crape Mertyle bushes, Nanking Cherry
>> bushes
>>>> (finally made Nanking Cherry Jelly and syrup), Bodark tree, Passion
>>> fruit,
>>>> (enclosed porch) Rubber plants, Ponytail Palm tree.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.morsenled.com/ <https://www.morsenled.com/>
>>>>
>>>> 73,
>>>> Mike KF5YUB
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jul 28, 2019 at 11:00 AM <rfi-request at contesting.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Send RFI mailing list submissions to
>>>>> rfi at contesting.com
>>>>>
>>>>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
>>>>> http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/rfi
>>>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>>>>> rfi-request at contesting.com
>>>>>
>>>>> You can reach the person managing the list at
>>>>> rfi-owner at contesting.com
>>>>>
>>>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
>>>>> than "Re: Contents of RFI digest..."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Today's Topics:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. LED Grow Lights (Kim Elmore)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> Message: 1
>>>>> Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2019 21:09:50 -0500
>>>>> From: Kim Elmore <cw_de_n5op at sbcglobal.net>
>>>>> To: "rfi at contesting.com" <rfi at contesting.com>
>>>>> Subject: [RFI] LED Grow Lights
>>>>> Message-ID: <e76a5508-0cc1-f454-7061-c00bb023b8a2 at sbcglobal.net>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>>>>>
>>>>> My Wife enjoys starting garden plants form seed indoors and, up
>> until a
>>>>> few days ago, used a 175W metal halide lamp for the purpose. It used
>>> and
>>>>> electronic ballast that, sadly, has bitten the dust. A new ballast
>> is a
>>>>> bit over half the cost of a much brighter and efficient LED grow
>> light.
>>>>> But I'm concerned about RFI since it almost certainly uses a
>> switching
>>>>> supply. Does anyone have any direct knowledge of quiet LED grow
>> lights
>>>>> in the "1000W" category. (I don't know where that term comes from,
>> but
>>>>> these tend to be rated at ~165 W power usage.)
>>>>>
>>>>> Kim N5OP
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> Kim Elmore, Ph.D. (Adj. Assoc. Prof., OU School of Meteorology, CCM,
>> PP
>>>>> SEL/MEL/Glider, N5OP, 2nd Class Radiotelegraph, GROL)
>>>>>
>>>>> /"In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. But,
>> in
>>>>> practice, there is." //??? Attributed to many people; it???s so true
>>> that
>>>>> it
>>>>> doesn???t matter who said it./
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Subject: Digest Footer
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> RFI mailing list
>>>>> RFI at contesting.com
>>>>> http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/rfi
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> End of RFI Digest, Vol 198, Issue 19
>>>>> ************************************
>>>>>
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>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> *Dave - W?LEV*
>>> *Just Let Darwin Work*
>>> *Just Think*
>>>
>>>
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