[RFI] Another Solar Panel RFI System

[Dave (NK7Z)]

Ha!  Now that is funny Steve!!

Change the Part 15, and part 18, tags to say:

"Do not remove under penalty of Law, and only if no RFI is present."

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 12/25/22 07:17, Steve London wrote:
>  From 
> https://www.livescience.com/33039-why-do-mattresses-have-do-not-remove-tags.html <https://www.livescience.com/33039-why-do-mattresses-have-do-not-remove-tags.html>
> 
> In the 1990s, in an effort to clear up the confusion, the tag's warning 
> was officially changed to "Do Not Remove Under Penalty of Law Except by 
> the Consumer."
> 
> 73,
> Steve, N2IC
> 
> On Sun, Dec 25, 2022 at 8:13 AM Dave (NK7Z) <dave at nk7z.net 
> <mailto:dave at nk7z.net>> wrote:
> 
>     Hi Dale,
> 
>     For the most part that is not going to work well...  No matter how much
>     you talk to your next door neighbor if you interfere with their <insert
>     device name here>, it is almost always your fault in their minds...
>     The logic goes like this:
> 
>     "I have a <insert device name here>, it works 99% of the time, but when
>     you transmit it does not work..."
> 
>     How do you think most people are going to react to that
>     situation...  So
>     as Amateurs, we start out handicapped, because the consumer is not
>     educated in how RFI responsibility is parsed out.  The consumer is sure
>     it is you, not them...
> 
>     Now lets reverse the victim status...
> 
>     The consumer installs a multi thousand dollar <insert device name here>:
> 
>     "I paid thousands to to install this, and had professionals install
>     it...  I bought it from a manufacturer we all know and love.  It can't
>     be my equipment..."
> 
>     Again-- education of the consumer is the driver here.  If the consumer
>     is happy, and the system is in place, the Amateur is already behind the
>     8-Ball, and again, the Amateur is handicapped as a result of lack of
>     education on the consumers part, with regards to parsing RFI
>     responsibility.
> 
>     This places an installer, or manufacturer, in the position of telling
>     the consumer that their newly installed multi thousand dollar widget,
>     may interfere with the amateur next door, and they, (the consumer),
>     will
>     have to pay more to fix the issue...
> 
>     Again, the consumer is going to whine about this state of affairs, and
>     neither the  the manufacture, or the vendor, are going to tell the
>     consumer this, as they may lose the sale...  Again, education issues
>     for
>     the consumer, and maybe penalty's for the vendor if they don't tell the
>     consumer might help...
> 
>     Until the consumer, not the Amateur, is directly affected by RFI, the
>     RFI nightmare we all live in, (if we are a city), will continue.
> 
>     Part of the RFI "fix" MUST include education beyond the Part 15, or 18,
>     stickers on equipment to consumers...  The consumer views these
>     stickers
>     like the tags on mattresses that say "DO NOT REMOVE UNDER PENALTY OF
>     LAW", they are ignored, and removed, for the most part.
> 
>     I really don't see how this will get solved in my lifetime...  At 70, I
>     have perhaps 15 to 20, (if I am lucky), years left...
> 
>     It will take that long just to cycle out most of the old gear, if a
>     mandate were to be put in place today.
> 
>     I applaud the efforts of the ARRL, the only way to work this issue
>     is to
>     educate everyone involved, and get standards in place...
> 
>     Maybe the next generation of hams will see less RFI...
> 
>     With regards to contracts...  You are dead correct Dale!
> 
>     I was lucky, I got my HVAC installer to put in his contract that if RFI
>     were to occur at a level I was not happy with, they would fix the
>     issue,
>     or remove and replace the HVAC system.  I doubt I could get that
>     concession again today...  No RFI, occurred however, as we discussed
>     this with the vendor prior to install, (no PWM motors were used), and
>     the vendor contacted the manufacturer BEFORE starting on the project.
> 
>     What next door neighbor is going to tell a vendor, you had better be
>     ready to charge me more, if the ham next door complains...
> 
>     Consumers MUST be educated about RFI responsibilities, as part of an
>     overall fix, if RFI is to be reduced...
> 
>     73, and thanks,
>     Dave (NK7Z)
>     https://www.nk7z.net <https://www.nk7z.net>
>     ARRL Volunteer Examiner
>     ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
>     ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources
> 
>     On 12/25/22 01:04, Dale wrote:
>      > so it would seem that we hams try to work with our neighbors to
>     minimize the problems from their systems
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