[RTTY] ARRL To QSY To 1807.500 KC

Thu Mar 2 00:57:08 EST 2006

The absence of "and we checked the bandplan" from the process you describe
below is both glaring and ominous. Conformance to voluntary bandplans is the
foundation of the ARRL's claim (in RM-11306) that current constraints on
remotely-invoked automatic operation can be eliminated without causing
widespread QRM. If it doesn't occur to the ARRL to check the ARRL bandplan
before repositioning its automatic station, what does this suggest about the
likelihood that the larger population of automatic station operators will
conform?

In case you had trouble finding the current ARRL bandplan, see

http://www.arrl.org/FandES/field/regulations/bandplan.html

In particular, note the second line in the 160m table.

    73,

       Dave, AA6YQ (member ARRL)

-----Original Message-----
From: rtty-bounces at contesting.com [mailto:rtty-bounces at contesting.com] On
Behalf Of Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 12:06 PM
To: Thomas Giella KN4LF; a RTTY COL eList; a Psk31 QTH eList; a Psk31 es
eList; a psk31 eGroup; a PSK31 070 eGroup; a Oliviadata eGroup; a MFSK
eGroup; a Digital Radio eGroup
Cc: Carcia, Joe, NJ1Q; Turner, Dee (SM WCF); Donahue, Sandy (Vice Dir SE);
Butler, Frank (Dir, SE)
Subject: Re: [RTTY] ARRL To QSY To 1807.500 KC

This was posted on the ARRL Web site earlier this morning.

Thanks for your input.

73,
David Sumner, K1ZZ

W1AW 160-meter frequency change put on hold (Mar 1, 2006) -- QRX on that
W1AW QSY! Maxim Memorial Station W1AW has rescinded recently announced plans
to change its 160-meter CW frequency starting Monday, April 3 and will
remain on 1817.5 kHz for the time being. The announced change to 1807.5 kHz
was aimed at reducing the possibility of interfering with DX stations that
have begun showing up in the vicinity of 1817.5 kHz. "Lately we have
received more complaints about W1AW interfering with weak DX signals," said
ARRL CEO and W1AW Trustee David Sumner, K1ZZ. "Some of these complaints were
about key cicks, which set us on a quest to put the cleanest transmitter we
could find on 160." With the key click problem on the way to resolution, it
was decided nonetheless to move W1AW's 160-meter frequency lower in the
band. "After what we thought was due diligence we decided that it made sense
to shift below 1810 kHz," Sumner recounted, "since that is the lower band
edge in Region 1 and 
 would pretty much eliminate the conflict with DXers." Monitoring showed
that 1807.5 appeared to be generally clear. "Unfortunately," Sumner
continued, "we failed to pick up the fact that PSK31 operators appear to
have adopted 1807 kHz as their 160-meter frequency, and we don't want to
conflict with any established activity centers." Under a tight deadline to
announce the W1AW operating schedule 30 days in advance, the League has
rescinded the frequency shift for now. Sumner said the question will be
revisited over the summer to try to gain consensus on a frequency to shift
to after Daylight Saving Time ends October 29. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Thomas Giella KN4LF [mailto:flcyclone at tampabay.rr.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 6:29 PM
To: a RTTY COL eList; a Psk31 QTH eList; a Psk31 es eList; a psk31 eGroup; a
PSK31 070 eGroup; a Oliviadata eGroup; a MFSK eGroup; a Digital Radio eGroup
Cc: Carcia, Joe, NJ1Q; Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ; Turner, Dee (SM WCF); Donahue,
Sandy (Vice Dir SE); Butler, Frank (Dir, SE)
Subject: ARRL To QSY To 1807.500 KC

Hello Joe,

I was hoping that you would pay me the courtesy of responding back about my 
concern over the plan for W1AW to QSY from 1817.500 kc to 1807.500 kc, right

on top of the weak digital signal PSK31/63, MFSK16, OLIVIA MFSK, RTTY 
calling frequency.

If RM-11306 band segregation by bandwidth becomes a Part 97 regulation, the 
ARRL has proposed that the mayhem be controlled by voluntary band plan. How 
do you expect ham's to take ARRL band plans seriously when the ARRL violates

them.

Do as I say not as I do hypocricy?

--... ...--,
Thomas F. Giella, KN4LF
Lakeland, FL, USA
Grid Square EL97AW
kn4lf at arrl.net

KN4LF Amateur & SWL Radio History: http://www.kn4lf.com
KN4LF 160 Meter Propagation Theory Notes: http://www.kn4lf.com/kn4lf8.htm

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Thomas Giella KN4LF
To: ARRL Joe Carcia NJ1Q
Cc: k1zz at arrl.org
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 10:20 PM
Subject: ARRL To QSY To 1807.500 KC

Joe,

As an ARRL member in good standing I'm advising you that it is a very bad 
idea to QSY W1AW operations from 1817.500 kc to 1807.500 kc beginning on 
April 3rd, 2006. 1807.500 kc +/- 3 kc is a main and very active frequency 
slice for weak signal PSK31, MFSK16, OLIVIA MFSK and RTTY digital 
operations. W1AW operation there would wipe out this main meeting frequency 
and more.

On 160 meters the ARRL band plan calls for digital modes between 1800-1810 
kc and CW between 1800-2000 kc, so it makes no sense to begin operation on 
1807.500 kc. If you do the math it's 10 kc for digital modes and 200 kc for 
CW.

I'm an avid CW operator too and I'm aware of the pressure the 160 meter CW 
DX community has been putting on your 1817.500 kc operations. But the 
solution to that issue is not to QSY down to 1807.500 kc. Please reconsider 
your frequency choice.

--... ...--,
Thomas F. Giella, KN4LF
Lakeland, FL, USA
Grid Square EL97AW
kn4lf at arrl.net

KN4LF Amateur & SWL Radio History: http://www.kn4lf.com
KN4LF 160 Meter Propagation Theory Notes: http://www.kn4lf.com/kn4lf8.htm

   Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 19:09:52 -0000
   From: "Michael E Dobson" <wa3kyy at arrl.net>
Subject: New ARRL 160M CW Frequency on top of PSK Frequency

Check this out folks.  We all need to email ARRL in protest.  From the ARRL
Web site:

W1AW to QSY on 160 meters (Feb 23, 2006) -- Starting Monday, April 3, Maxim
Memorial Station W1AW will be using a new 160-meter frequency for its CW
transmissions. The new frequency will be 1807.5 kHz. "The last time we
shifted frequency on 160 meters was back in 2003," says W1AW Station Manager
Joe Carcia, NJ1Q. "Since that time, operating patterns have changed, and
there is more DX showing up near our current frequency of 1817.5 kHz. We're
shifting frequency to reduce the possibility of interference." 

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