[RTTY] [3830] RTTY Roundup VO1TTY(VO1HP) Single Op LP

[Art Searle W2NRA]

Hi Glenn,

I was around 7.060 MHz + a little in the RU and the same thing happened
to my.  Only this guy was good.  He zero beat my Mark frequency.  I
tried to continue and he did cost me a couple of Qs but I just kept
going.  I slide down a hair and put a notch on him.  Once I started
running stations while he was trying to jam me he gave up.  I think that
is what you have to do; just keep going.

73 Art W2NRA
"Keep to the code!"
w2nra.com

-----Original Message-----
From: rtty-bounces at contesting.com [mailto:rtty-bounces at contesting.com]
On Behalf Of RFD
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 07:27 AM
To: Glenn VA3DX; Rich
Cc: rtty at contesting.com
Subject: Re: [RTTY] [3830] RTTY Roundup VO1TTY(VO1HP) Single Op LP

Glenn & Rich

Thanks for your comments.  

I operate 99% CW & RTTY.   I have been RTTY contesting for at least 15
years and have not yet encountered DELIBERATE  CW QRM on 40M or any
other band.  Maybe my signal from this location isn't potent enough to
attract attention!.  

On 40M I have always tried to opearte above 7035 khz and stay out of the
way of the guys on CW.  I also work a lot of CW on 40M even during RTTY
contests if there is something going on in the CW band that attracts my
attention.  What I took exception to in Rich's 3830 post was the
implication that CW ops on 40M are "idiots".   It was a bit too much of
a generalization for me to accept.  I can see from Rich's reply that he
didn't intend to generalize.

I agree that deliberate QRM on 40M or any other band is a "mindless"
activity from hams who don't have enough to do and should get a life. I
also think that RTTY contesters should make every effort to stay within
the digital sub-bands (for us IARU-Region 2).  We all have the right to
pursue enjoyment of the limited spectrum available to us,  Phone & CW
ops who do not have a passion for, nor an understanding of,  RTTY
contesting should not be confronted with RTTY in the phone or CW bands.
Likewise those ops are well advised to stay out of the digital sub-bands
during RTTY contests.

My personal operating style is a laid back and maybe not as intense as
some others so I'll tend to move on if things get hot!

Happy contesting -- RTTY & otherwise.

Frank VO1HP


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Hi, Sorry if I seemed to offend you with my remarks about CW ops. In
general they are a fine bunch but it seems in every RTTY contest there
are a certain few who deliberatley QRM the RTTY station with endless
CQs, never identify their station, never respond to anyone who tries to
call them. Also included in the "idiot" class is the guy who will do a
series of RYRYRY after you call CQ, of course obliterating any answer
you might have gotten to your CQ call. I don't classify unintentional
conficts as idiots, they happen and its not a cause for concern. Its the
deliberate QRM causing CW ops who are the idiots. I'm not the only one
who has noticed this, I got an email from K4GMH who related his
"experience" with a CW op on 40 meters last weekend. I have only been
contesting a couple of years but I have never heard an RTTY OP go to a
CW QSO and delibertley "jam" his conversation. Maybe I'm wrong but I
really question the mental state of someone who will intentionaly
interfere with
  another station.

73

Rich VA1CHP

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Glenn VA3DX" <va3dx at sympatico.ca>
To: <vo1hp at rac.ca>
Cc: <rtty at contesting.com>
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 7:05 PM
Subject: Re: [3830] RTTY Roundup VO1TTY(VO1HP) Single Op LP


> During the RU I found a nice quiet spot on 40 meters. This
> was early in the afternoon, around 3 pm.... I qrl'd  3 times
> and then started to contest. The frequency remained reasonably
> clear for about   70 minutes.
> 
> Then  the CW ditting started. I tried to ignore this fella for
> about 20 minutes, however he was covering up the weaker
> Europeans. So, I qsyed down 2.5 khz.... made 3 qsos , and then it
> started again. I moved again , down 3 khz ( 5.5 khz from the original
> frequency ) and of course he followed me there. At this point I was
> on 7037.0
> 
> Frustrated , I moved up to 7053.0 and was never bothered again.
> Was this the first time this has happened ? NO !!  It seems every
> RTTY contest I get the same thing on 40 meters.
> 
> It was very obvious that his intention was to qrm me .
> As far as infringement on sub bands , you need to listen during
> the cw and ssb contests to see if they infringe on the RTTY
> sub bands... of course they do !!!  But that is because of the large
> numbers of participants.
> 
> Digital modes  are growing in popularity and to expect everyone to
> crowd into a very small segment on 40 meters is ludicrous.
> 
> Perhaps we need to learn to share the bands ( on occasion )
> regardless , whether CW SSB or a RTTY contest.  Asking
> 200 or more RTTY stations to crowd into 20 khz is rather
> thoughtless.
> 
> The popularity of these contests is evident by the large numbers
> taking part in them. Sub band overspills  happen no matter what
> mode the contest covers. To single out RTTY ops is very
> naive thinking.
> 
> Glenn VA3DX
> 
> 
> Subject: [3830] RTTY Roundup VO1TTY(VO1HP) Single Op LP
> 
> 
>> I take exception to VA1CHP's soapbox comments about "idiotic 40M CW
>> ops"....don't know why he would make such a comment.  It is usually
the 
>> RTTY
>> contesters who infringe on CW and phone subbands and are the cause of
>> interfernce problems during RTTY contests not the other way around.
RTTY 
>> is
>> very inefficient as a contesting mode and the contest weekend spread
is 
>> the
>> cause of QRM to CW ops!!   VO1TTY /  VO1HP
> 
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