[RTTY] I just have to ask
rick darwicki
n6pe at yahoo.com
Thu Mar 5 16:16:42 PST 2009
With thousands of stations on the air during a contest, exactly what purpose does a beacon serve?
Rick, N6PE
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Remember, E = M * C^2 was not the entire equation.
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> 1. 7025-7045 (Rick Smith)
> 2. Re: NAQP RTTY Frequencies (Peter Laws)
> 3. Re: NAQP RTTY Frequencies (W0MU Mike Fatchett)
> 4. NAQP RTTY Frequencies (k0bx at arrl.net)
> 5. Re: NAQP RTTY Frequencies (Gordon LaPoint)
> 6. open ukraine (Daniel Glanc)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 07:45:01 -0800
> From: "Rick Smith"
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> Subject: [RTTY] 7025-7045
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> The Japanese can only use this segment for 40M RTTY, so
> that is where you go to pick up JA RTTY.
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> Rick Smith
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 10:20:17 -0600
> From: Peter Laws <plaws0 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [RTTY] NAQP RTTY Frequencies
> To: RTTY Reflector <rtty at contesting.com>
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> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 03:03, Shelby Summerville
> <k4ww at arrl.net> wrote:
>
> > should, know that 14.100 is the frequency of the NCDXF
> beacon. During NAQP
> > RTTY, transmitting between 14.099-14.101 is not
> allowed! Also, in the spirit
>
> This one I knew about and I try to abide by.
>
>
> > of cooperation, during NAQP RTTY, transmitting between
> 14.069-14.073, is
> > also not allowed! These "off limits"
> frequencies are not a part of the
> > rules, yet. I prefer to allow the participants in NAQP
> RTTY to "self police"
>
> Is this in the rules? If not, how were we to know?
> Besides this
> thread, I mean.
>
> I have no problem making a PSK exception in all the RTTY
> contest rules
> - it's better than trying to figure out if I'm
> hearing PSK or power
> lines!
>
> As noted by others, I don't believe we need to do the
> same for CW
> because CW is allowed everywhere.
>
> --
> Peter Laws | N5UWY | plaws plaws net | Travel by Train!
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 09:21:59 -0700
> From: "W0MU Mike Fatchett" <w0mu at w0mu.com>
> Subject: Re: [RTTY] NAQP RTTY Frequencies
> To: "'Shelby Summerville'"
> <k4ww at arrl.net>, "'RTTY Reflector'"
> <rtty at contesting.com>
> Cc: 'K0AD' <aldewey at aol.com>,
> 'WA7BNM' <bhorn at hornucopia.com>
> Message-ID:
> <8878786565B94D72A413AF6A38D382B1 at hamtower>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Sorry to disagree but we SHARE our frequencies. None of
> our frequencies are
> exclusive use and I hope we never get to the point that we
> have exclusive
> frequencies as it will be the beginning of the end of our
> bands as the FCC
> will sell off frequencies to the highest bidder. Rich hams
> will be lining
> up to buy 14.001 14.151 etc.
>
> While the beacon network is a cool system it is not used by
> the entire
> amateur community. It is not a system for emergency
> communications etc. It
> is a simply a beacon network to give people an idea if a
> band is open. Why
> is their use any more or less important than anyone else
> using the
> frequency?
>
> At what point does this stop? Do we then disallow any
> contest activity
> between 14.250 and 14.350 because of long running nets? CW
> frequencies used
> by county hunters and FIST? How about the SSTV
> frequencies? We should
> probably include all the ARRL bulletin and practice
> frequencies too. People
> will be lining up at our doors to have their precious net
> frequency and a
> 10kc buffers listed in the rules. The DX window on 160 is
> pretty much
> abandoned during contests now.
>
> Just because a group has staked a claim to an area does not
> give them
> exclusive right to the frequency. These instances of
> interference were not
> intentional. I agree that all amateurs need to be more
> prudent about not
> interfering with ongoing communications regardless of mode.
>
>
> The WARC bands have been contest free for just this reason.
> The NAQP is
> such a short contest the impact to 20m has to be quite low
> compared to any
> of the major contests.
>
> Rules are great for those that read them. Many don't
> and just get on to
> make contacts and give out points. I really don't want
> to have to remember
> which areas may or may not be off limits.
>
> This sets a very dangerous precedent for all contests and
> contesters. We
> have as much right to use the frequencies in accordance
> with FCC rules (USA
> operators) as the next guy. We are not guaranteed clear
> channel operations.
> Qrm is pat of what we signed up for.
>
> Maybe it is time that many upgrade their stations with
> better filtering etc.
> We don't use spark gap transmitters anymore for a
> reason. If I can nestle
> in to a small hole and work people and you can't who
> has the problem?
>
> Mike W0MU
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "A slip of the foot you may soon recover, but a slip
> of the tongue you may
> never get over." Ben Franklin
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rtty-bounces at contesting.com
> [mailto:rtty-bounces at contesting.com] On
> Behalf Of Shelby Summerville
> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 2:04 AM
> To: RTTY Reflector
> Cc: K0AD; WA7BNM
> Subject: [RTTY] NAQP RTTY Frequencies
>
> This has been posted, before, and after February NAQP RTTY,
> it needs posting
> again. I'm a strong proponent of "not preaching to
> the choir", but, short of
> a rules change, I feel this is the best way to "get
> the word out"! Before
> y'all inundate me with "technical" examples:
> "I use a KAMPlus for my RTTY
> operation, and if I can copy your signal, in any of the
> below mentioned
> frequencies, you're too close"!
>
> Although I have absolutely no control over unmanned Packet
> stations, that
> cause interference, in the RTTY portion of the bands, I do
> have some over
> the alleged interference caused by participants, in NAQP
> RTTY! Most, and all
> should, know that 14.100 is the frequency of the NCDXF
> beacon. During NAQP
> RTTY, transmitting between 14.099-14.101 is not allowed!
> Also, in the spirit
> of cooperation, during NAQP RTTY, transmitting between
> 14.069-14.073, is
> also not allowed! These "off limits" frequencies
> are not a part of the
> rules, yet. I prefer to allow the participants in NAQP RTTY
> to "self police"
> and follow these guidelines. Several stations were
> monitored, by me, calling
> CQ, between 14.099-14.101, and I have a complaint of
> interference, with
> ongoing PSK QSO's, between 14.069-14.073. Please
> don't force a change in the
> rules, and refrain from transmitting in the aforementioned
> frequencies.
>
> Shelby Summerville, K4WW
> Contest Manager
> NAQP RTTY
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 08:34:08 -0800 (PST)
> From: "k0bx at arrl.net" <k0bx at arrl.net>
> Subject: [RTTY] NAQP RTTY Frequencies
> To: rtty at contesting.com
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> This discussion always comes up after each contest.
>
> Back in the 70's when major contests were only CW and
> SSB, the same discussion always took place. That is why the
> WARC bands are no contest. Somewhere to go during contests
> on the other bands. How soon everyone forgets.
>
> Gentlemen should respect the beacons. Gentlemen should
> respect PSK, QRP, the Old Timers, and all nets even if they
> ain't on.
>
> We should get on a 'Net' and complain that there is
> no activity like the 'good old days'.
>
> Basic rule, just try not to interfere with an on-going qso.
>
> Joe K0BX
>
> Stop the insanity!
> Please do not add me to any distribution lists (Joke,
> Stories or Junk) without my permission.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 14:13:28 -0500
> From: "Gordon LaPoint" <n1mgo at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [RTTY] NAQP RTTY Frequencies
> To: rtty at contesting.com
> Message-ID:
> <49AFDE08.30290.289C3F25 at n1mgo.comcast.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
> Hi All,
> I tend to agree with Mike, W0MU. The only frequencies
> we have to avoid
> are the declared emergency and stay within band plans. I
> do lots of psk31 and
> find that the WARC bands are just fine on contest weekends.
> The beacons are
> great, but again, they don't "OWN" a
> freaquency and I sure hope they, or
> anyone else, "OWNS" a frequency!!!!
>
> And for those of you that don't know me, I do lots of
> contesting, but usually
> RTTY only, and don't complain when the CW contesters
> wipe out the usual RTTY
> frequencys on CW contest weekends.
>
>
> Please don't change the rules to limit the frequencies
> that we can use!!!
>
>
> Thank you,
> Gordon "Bambi" - N1MGO
>
> On 5 Mar 2009 at 9:21, W0MU Mike Fatchett wrote:
>
> > Sorry to disagree but we SHARE our frequencies. None
> of our frequencies are
> > exclusive use and I hope we never get to the point
> that we have exclusive
> > frequencies as it will be the beginning of the end of
> our bands as the FCC
> > will sell off frequencies to the highest bidder. Rich
> hams will be lining
> > up to buy 14.001 14.151 etc.
> >
> > While the beacon network is a cool system it is not
> used by the entire
> > amateur community. It is not a system for emergency
> communications etc. It
> > is a simply a beacon network to give people an idea if
> a band is open. Why
> > is their use any more or less important than anyone
> else using the
> > frequency?
> >
> > At what point does this stop? Do we then disallow any
> contest activity
> > between 14.250 and 14.350 because of long running
> nets? CW frequencies used
> > by county hunters and FIST? How about the SSTV
> frequencies? We should
> > probably include all the ARRL bulletin and practice
> frequencies too. People
> > will be lining up at our doors to have their precious
> net frequency and a
> > 10kc buffers listed in the rules. The DX window on
> 160 is pretty much
> > abandoned during contests now.
> >
> > Just because a group has staked a claim to an area
> does not give them
> > exclusive right to the frequency. These instances of
> interference were not
> > intentional. I agree that all amateurs need to be
> more prudent about not
> > interfering with ongoing communications regardless of
> mode.
> >
> > The WARC bands have been contest free for just this
> reason. The NAQP is
> > such a short contest the impact to 20m has to be quite
> low compared to any
> > of the major contests.
> >
> > Rules are great for those that read them. Many
> don't and just get on to
> > make contacts and give out points. I really don't
> want to have to remember
> > which areas may or may not be off limits.
> >
> > This sets a very dangerous precedent for all contests
> and contesters. We
> > have as much right to use the frequencies in
> accordance with FCC rules (USA
> > operators) as the next guy. We are not guaranteed
> clear channel operations.
> > Qrm is pat of what we signed up for.
> >
> > Maybe it is time that many upgrade their stations with
> better filtering etc.
> > We don't use spark gap transmitters anymore for a
> reason. If I can nestle
> > in to a small hole and work people and you can't
> who has the problem?
> >
> > Mike W0MU
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "A slip of the foot you may soon recover, but a
> slip of the tongue you may
> > never get over." Ben Franklin
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rtty-bounces at contesting.com
> [mailto:rtty-bounces at contesting.com] On
> > Behalf Of Shelby Summerville
> > Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 2:04 AM
> > To: RTTY Reflector
> > Cc: K0AD; WA7BNM
> > Subject: [RTTY] NAQP RTTY Frequencies
> >
> > This has been posted, before, and after February NAQP
> RTTY, it needs posting
> > again. I'm a strong proponent of "not
> preaching to the choir", but, short of
> > a rules change, I feel this is the best way to
> "get the word out"! Before
> > y'all inundate me with "technical"
> examples: "I use a KAMPlus for my RTTY
> > operation, and if I can copy your signal, in any of
> the below mentioned
> > frequencies, you're too close"!
> >
> > Although I have absolutely no control over unmanned
> Packet stations, that
> > cause interference, in the RTTY portion of the bands,
> I do have some over
> > the alleged interference caused by participants, in
> NAQP RTTY! Most, and all
> > should, know that 14.100 is the frequency of the NCDXF
> beacon. During NAQP
> > RTTY, transmitting between 14.099-14.101 is not
> allowed! Also, in the spirit
> > of cooperation, during NAQP RTTY, transmitting between
> 14.069-14.073, is
> > also not allowed! These "off limits"
> frequencies are not a part of the
> > rules, yet. I prefer to allow the participants in NAQP
> RTTY to "self police"
> > and follow these guidelines. Several stations were
> monitored, by me, calling
> > CQ, between 14.099-14.101, and I have a complaint of
> interference, with
> > ongoing PSK QSO's, between 14.069-14.073. Please
> don't force a change in the
> > rules, and refrain from transmitting in the
> aforementioned frequencies.
> >
> > Shelby Summerville, K4WW
> > Contest Manager
> > NAQP RTTY
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > RTTY mailing list
> > RTTY at contesting.com
> > http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/rtty
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > RTTY mailing list
> > RTTY at contesting.com
> > http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/rtty
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 20:19:10 +0100
> From: "Daniel Glanc" <ok1dig at seznam.cz>
> Subject: [RTTY] open ukraine
> To: <rtty at contesting.com>
> Message-ID: <001b01c99dc7$43394810$6501a8c0 at c2000>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> I would like to ask the community if somebody modified the
> N1MM software
>
> for the Open Ukraine RTTY Championship. Or what is the
> nearest setup of the
> existing
>
> logs in the database.
>
> Any suggestions ?
>
>
>
> 73's Daniel / OK1DIG ( OL6X )
>
>
>
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