[RTTY] SO2R in WPX RTTY

Tue Feb 16 19:46:00 PST 2010

Roger and all,

I do operate so2r and try real hard not to make fellows wait for several reasons. One of them is that we often abandon a few seconds the run freq in order to work a station spotted on the cluster. If I have to wait 'too long' for a reply chances are that I will loose my run freq, that's a costly move of course especially in big contests like we had over the weekend. There seems to be a trend in fact of slower exchanges from 'possible' so2r ops. It is up to the so2r op to sharpen up his skills and speed up his routine for he will loose precious contacts and he may actually end up loosing ground instead of gaining from a lacky technique. It is also up to the S&Ping station to decide when to move on and maybe come back later to work him. 

I clearly remember at least one occasion over the weekend when I must have made someone wait for an exchange, that was on the left ear radio and I tell you honestly I am slowly loosing the high freqencies on that one :(  and I was getting real tired too!! 

Problem is I still find more of this than any thing else:

VA2UP VA2UP VA2UP de XX0XX 599 599 599 021 73 73  TNX SK SK

I guess there are improvements to be worked on in different fields in this sport...

BTW it was nice to work you guys as usual and hope I was 'speedy' enough for you, maybe I cought you on my 'right' ear?? hihi

73, keep on rttying ,

Fabi  va2up   

> Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 21:29:05 +0000
> From: g3ldi at g3ldi.co.uk
> To: rtty at contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [RTTY] SO2R in WPX RTTY
> 
> OK, maybe two seconds is a bit impatient! However, I don't think
> that we should support the run rate of an SO2R station by sitting looking
> out of the window waiting on his reply. There is another way of looking
> at this. Band occupancy is tight anyway, so why should SO2R have any
> more frequency than the poor Luddite SO1R? I even saw someone say
> on here that he was going to use SO3R... What????
> I only have one brain with input from two ears. How the heck can
> anybody work SO3R? Must be a joke....
> Oh, and by the way, yes I do hit the wrong key sometimes and that
> puts me into a panic!
> 
> 73 de Roger, G3LDI
> 
> 
> On 16/02/2010 20:52, k3mm at verizon.net wrote:
> > Well, I think you have to understand that usually in SO2R you can set up a rythym and it appears seamless. However, when someone you are working gets long winded or you need a repeat it's easy to get messed up. So when both QSO's break at exactly the same time, you have to make a choice which one gets the first call and the other has to wait. The savvy SO2R op can minimize this pain a lot of times, but there is no way to eliminate it completely. I think it's also likely that some of this is single TX stations that just "lost it" or got befuddled. I've had them completely disappear mid-QSO and then come back 5 minutes later like nothing wierd happened.
> >
> > My general rule is if someone comes back slowly and is holding me up on the other radio, I make them wait for their confirmation rather than making the fast guy pay.
> >
> > However, if someone comes back to me and just gives me a "599nnn" with no callsign and no repeat, they will have to wait...and they may have to wait for me to say "agn agn " because I wont normally accept a number sent one time on a weak or crowded signal as correct. So take 5 seconds to send a proper exchange sending the number at least twice...and please correct the callsign if it isnt correct!
> >
> > 73, Ty K3MM
> >
> >
> > Feb 16, 2010 03:16:51 PM, ska at bartg.org.uk wrote:
> >
> > Phil and all,
> >
> > It's about time someone said it.
> >
> > I have nothing against most of the SO2R operations and intend to run that
> > way myself in the future. It's just a few who are really inconsiderate and
> > are just thinking of their own run rate, while completely breaking the
> > rhythm of the other station.
> >
> > Several times my CQ was answered, I sent the report, then had to sit and
> > wait while the other station finished their other QSO.
> >
> > The same thing happens when you answer a CQ then wait a long time before
> > getting the report. Surely if someone sends 'CQ' they should be ready to get
> > that contact going right away. They are actually saying 'I am using this
> > frequency; please call me back and I will answer when I am ready'
> >
> > Thankfully it is only a minority and maybe they are just new to SO2R; it
> > must be hard to get up to speed when starting.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > John GW4SKA
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Phil Cooper"
> > To: "RTTY"
> >
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 7:41 PM
> > Subject: [RTTY] SO2R in WPX RTTY
> >
> >
> > 
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> Just an observation, rather than any sort of criticism, but I note that
> >> quite a few SO2R op's were VERY slow in responding to calls and exchanges
> >> during this WPX. And by slow, I mean in the order of 10 seconds or more!
> >>
> >> Whilst I am not necessarily in favour of SO2R (as part of the single op
> >> class), I understand why you want to do it, and good luck to you.
> >> BUT, I really think you should be a little quicker on the replies, and
> >> maybe
> >> consider those of us on the other end.
> >>
> >> Having said that, there were a few SO2R ops that were amazing, and
> >> responded
> >> very quickly, so it can be done.
> >>
> >> Obviously, if it is your run frequency, you have the control, but I don't
> >> particularly like waiting too long for that TU QRZ while you work a mult
> >> on
> >> another frequency.
> >> When I was CQ'ing, I had some callers that were obviously busy elsewhere,
> >> and it really did screw up MY run on occasions when I replied to you, but
> >> you were busy on your run frequency. One several occasions, I sent again,
> >> only to hear the end of your message to me. That meant other callers tried
> >> to get in, figuring I wasn't going to work you, so they called over you.
> >>
> >> Did anyone else notice the delay in responses?
> >>
> >> As I said, these thoughts are just an observation, and not a criticism!
> >>
> >> 73 de Phil GU0SUP
> >>
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