[RTTY] ST0R

Mon Aug 1 06:07:02 PDT 2011

I'm not a big fan of running by the numbers. Observing propagation and
running by the numbers are usually mutually exclusive for us in the black
hole. By the time they get to the zeros, the band has closed. I agree that
they could observe propagation by continent, but even that is problematic in
NA, where there significant propagation differences between the East and
West Coasts and the Gulf Coast and the Upper Midwest. I find little
justification for running EU and NA at the same time, when EU has a
significant geographical and propagation advantage and only the East Coast
is occasionally breaking the pileup. The rest of NA hopefuls are just
causing QRM by calling.

Two of my three RTTY Qs were toward the upper end of the split. The third Q
was in a less crowded spot between the pileup nodes on each end of the
split. Both ops were moving around. EA5RM on 17 meters was the hardest to
work because he jumped around apparently randomly a lot. DH8WR was much
easier to work, even though 15 meter print was spotty. DH8WR on 20 meters
was by far the easiest to work, but I got him early in the pileup. DH8WR was
much easier to track, and he tended to work the edges and find the callers
in the open (less crowded) spots. I don't think it's fair to compare rates,
because of the differences in pileups, propagation, and QRMers.

ST0R has done the RTTY community a huge favor by not waiting to the end of
the operation to run RTTY, as do many Dxpeditions. By working RTTY from the
beginning of the operation, everybody should eventually have a chance to log
them. The other favor they've done is to run RTTY on several bands, giving
more people a chance to work them on their best antenna. ST0R could take the
Dxpedition record for RTTY Qs. The current log update shows 9,933 RTTY Qs
for 14.58% of the total Qs worked. Great job!

Nelson, KU0A

-----Original Message-----
From: rtty-bounces at contesting.com [mailto:rtty-bounces at contesting.com] On
Behalf Of Al Kozakiewicz
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 11:26 PM
To: 'Fred Souto Maior'; rtty at contesting.com
Subject: Re: [RTTY] ST0R

You're right, of course, but then what's the point of spreading everyone out
over 15 kHz if you're never going to listen over the whole range?
Especially with RTTY, a bunch of operators chasing the DX station up and
down the band just creates a whole bunch of signals that can't be decoded
because they're all on top of one another.  

The ST0R pileups are (IMO) outside the norm and I would think the DX
operators could help themselves considerably by:

A. One continent at a time
B. Be cognizant of propagation on the band
C. By the numbers

The guy running phone on 17m this afternoon was doing just that, listening
on one frequency and he was making excellent QSO rates.

Al
AB2ZY

-----Original Message-----
From: rtty-bounces at contesting.com [mailto:rtty-bounces at contesting.com] On
Behalf Of Fred Souto Maior
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 10:01 PM
To: rtty at contesting.com
Subject: Re: [RTTY] ST0R

Nelson:

Usually you can find people calling them blind 1, 2 kcs up when they are
working stns 5, 6 up. Those guys never stop to find last station worked or
to see if the op is going up the band after each qso, or going down ... they
only put 1 kc up and start to call and call and call all the time ... of
course they never will make the qso. And of course they will make a lot of
QRM to the DX stn calling only 1 up. But there are operators and OPERATORS
... what we can do ??? Best regards

Fred - PY7ZZ

Em 31/07/2011 19:09, Nelson Moyer escreveu:
> They aren't THAT difficult to work! I found success by calling in
> openings when I couldn't find the last QSO. Granted, there aren't 
> always opening with RTTY bandwidth and a short split range, but it 
> worked for two bands that way
> (17 and 15 meters), and I didn't spend more than 30 min. to an hour 
> calling from Iowa with 500 watts and a TH-11 on a 50 ft. tower. For 
> the third band (20 meters), I found the last station worked slightly 
> above the pileup and called on that frequency three times. Third time 
> was charm. I haven't printed them on 30 meter RTTY yet.
>
> I spent much more time listening than calling. If more stations did
> that, it would be easier to work them because we could find the 
> station being worked easier. Calling incessantly on RTTY only jams the 
> split for everyone. The pileup discipline has been nonexistent on all 
> modes except CW, probably because fewer ops nowadays can copy and send 
> CW at 30 wpm ;)
>
> Nelson, KU0A
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rtty-bounces at contesting.com [mailto:rtty-bounces at contesting.com]
> On Behalf Of Dick White
> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 3:57 PM
> To: RTTY Contesting
> Subject: [RTTY] ST0R
>
>
>
> There will probably be many frustrating stories about the ST0R
> DXpedition. I had a harrowing experience yesterday working them on 20 
> meter RTTY. I was at the rig 5 hours. I was called by ST0R 4 times. 
> The first 3 times my computer program locked up when I tried to send 
> my "DX REPLY" macro. I finally got a 4th reply and I sent my reply and 
> did not use any macros. What a relief to a frustrating afternoon. Got 
> them on 20 meters at 0135z. I am one happy camper. Now to get them on CW.
>
> 73  Dick  KS0M
>
> Richard C. "Dick" White
> Fulton, Missouri 65251 U.S.A.
> whiter26 at sbcglobal.net
>
> "We make a living by what we do.
>   We make a life by what we give."
>                Winston Churchill
>
> Amateur Radio Station:  KS0M
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