[RTTY] BARTG COMMENTS

[Gary AL9A]

Put away the multilayer flame suit Shelby - I have a very small torch! :)

Example:  I'm running and I get a call from W4KK to which I respond "W4KK 
NNN NNN W4KK".  The first send of your call is to acknowledge you as the 
station I'm working so you can be ready to receive my report.  The second 
instance of your call is three fold - first, to let you and others in the 
pile up know I am done sending to you, second, in case your call got garbled 
up on the first send, and third to let you and others know I'm ready to 
receive the report from W4KK only.  I don't need a resend of my call from 
you, but if all I get is "NNN-NNN" do I assume it came from you or some 
other eager beaver in the pile up?  Believe me it happens.  I've seen 
multiple times where I get "NNN NNN" and then "KB8XYZ" prints on the screen. 
Now what?  Do I log W4KK and the number as his?  Or do I assume it was 
really KB4XYZ and his number?  Or do I send AGN AGN to get clarification? 
Did W4KK get my number or did KB8XYZ get it and log it as his?  Gets 
confusing real quick.

If I fail to log someone it's not because I disagree with the way they've 
sent their exchange.  Rather it's because I'm not sure of who just sent me 
some numbers and if I try to get a resend get no response because the 
station has already moved off.  I hate to say it, but there are many 4 calls 
from VA on in every contest.  Not always the case with AK.  Because AK is 
both a DX mult and a needed state for many chasing WAS the pile ups can 
disintegrate into a messy fur ball with minimal discipline real quick.  From 
my end at least, anything that can be done to keep the exchanges clear and 
precise are far more important than saving a few nano seconds per call.  All 
it takes is a few AGN AGN requests to quickly wipe out any gains from 
shortened macros.

73,
Gary AL9A


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Shelby Summerville" <k4ww at arrl.net>
To: "RTTY Contesting" <rtty at contesting.com>
Sent: January 24, 2011 1:53 PM
Subject: Re: [RTTY] BARTG COMMENTS


> Gary AL9A wrote: "I too had several stations send me NR only without a 
> call.
> They did not
> make it into my log and probably missed the AK mult!"
>
> If you were calling CQ, and I called you, you would include my call in 
> your
> exchange? You have my call, because you answered me? I have you call, or I
> wouldn't have called you? If I'm calling CQ, and you answer me, I will
> include your call, in my exchange. I couldn't care less how you send your
> exchange to me, just as long as it contains the necessary information!
> To quote K6LL, operating at K7ABC: "Some operators were gobsmacked with my
> S&P exchange - 345-345 - no callsigns, no chat. Yes pal, that's all you 
> get,
> and all you need. We both already know who I am, and we both already know
> who you are. Adios."
> If you failed to log anyone, just because you don't agree with the way 
> they
> are sending their exchange, IMHO, you have violated the spirit and intent 
> of
> the rules? Maintaining silence, when I send your exchange, when you are 
> the
> one calling CQ, will only send me looking for another contact. If I'm
> calling CQ, and you answer me, I will include your call, in my exchange.
> I've been operating contests for more than 25 years. Far longer than some,
> far less than others, and I have yet to find any CW/SSB contesters that
> insist on "sending it my way"? RTTY contesting should be no different? A
> contest is just that, a competition, not a rag chew, so why insist on 
> being
> "spoon fed" the information, when it there in front of you, on your 
> screen?
> I will agree that band conditions play a major part in the contest 
> exchange,
> and will require varying from the normal. Without a doubt most everyone
> worked the high scoring stations? Pay attention to how they are answering
> calls, and sending their exchange. They must be doing it right, or their
> scores wouldn't be so high?
>
> Multi layered flame suit at the ready!   :>))
>
> C'Ya, Shelby - K4WW
>
>
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