[RTTY] I have a question

Fri Oct 14 10:02:09 PDT 2011

Sorry for the delayed comment, but I just came up for air from harvest this
week!  I'm spending the day correcting formats on hundreds of logs rejected
by the CQ WW RTTY robot so they can be submitted for log checking.  Anyway,
about this thread ...

For the CQ contests, our log checking software enables us to declare a given
QSO "good" in one log and "bad" in another log, if the situation so
dictates.  This happens automatically if one station busts the exchange.
The software also automatically catches busted call signs that are off by
one or two characters.  If three or more characters are busted in a call
sign, then we have to manually examine the "reverse log" to determine if an
innocent station would otherwise get a NIL because their call is busted in
another log.  Probably more detail than you want or need to know, but the
answer to Fabi's original query is that we strive to only penalize the
station making the mistake.

A very few contests, e.g., Russian DX, take the position that two-way
communication is the responsibility of both stations and both logs are
dinged for any mistake in either one of them.  They even go so far as to
remove QSOs with stations who do not submit a log!  Not necessarily a wrong
approach, but certainly different than most contests.

73,
Ed - W0YK
CQ RTTY Contest Director
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Ed Muns
w0yk at cqwwrtty.com
www.cqwwrtty.com
www.cqwpxrtty.com
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: rtty-bounces at contesting.com 
> [mailto:rtty-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of W0MU Mike Fatchett
> Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 7:21 PM
> To: rtty at contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [RTTY] I have a question
> 
> It really depends on the checkers and the software they are 
> using.  If they can determine it was the other guy the blew 
> it then he gets hit.  
> Maybe W0YK will add his 2 dollars worth.
> 
> Mike W0MU
> 
> J6/W0MU November 21 - December 1 2011 CQ WW DX CW
> W0MU-1 CC Cluster w0mu.net
> 
> 
> On 10/12/2011 7:38 PM, Fabi va2up wrote:
> > Hi Gary,
> > that's exactly my point. One could actually modify the way 
> his macros are organized for a particular contest as long as 
> one knows what parameters are used for log correction and 
> maybe avoid loosing points for himself and possibly the oher 
> station. I would personally include the info in the contest 
> rules, now at this point if one makes good use of the 
> information or he doesn't it becomes HIS problem.
> > Thanks answering
> >
> > 73
> >
> > Fabi  va2up
> > http://sites.google.com/site/va2upcontesting/
> >
> >
> >
> >> From: al9a at mtaonline.net
> >> To: va2up at live.ca; rtty at contesting.com
> >> Subject: Re: [RTTY] I have a question
> >> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 17:29:41 -0800
> >>
> >> Fabi,
> >>
> >> I think it depends on the rules of the particular contest. If you 
> >> have logged the other call and exchange correctly most log 
> checkers 
> >> will credit you with a good contact even if the other guy 
> busts your 
> >> call or exchange on his end. You did your part correctly 
> so shouldn't 
> >> be penalized for an error at his end.
> >>
> >> There are some contests however that will penalize both 
> stations if 
> >> either one has incorrect information from the QSO. The 
> theory here is 
> >> you must not only make sure you have received your information 
> >> correctly, but that the other station has received yours correctly 
> >> too. Where this falls apart is if the other guy correctly 
> identifies 
> >> your call over the air and then mistypes the info in his 
> log. In RTTY 
> >> contests you can acutally see what he has copied as your call and 
> >> will enter into his log. But in CW or SSB contests there is no way 
> >> you can verify what he actually enters in the log, only what you 
> >> copied over the air. I believe this concept is taken to 
> the extreme 
> >> in the Russian DX Contest . If an error is made at either end not 
> >> only do both parties not get credit, but points are 
> actually taken away from the offending station! Ouch!
> >>
> >> 73,
> >> Gary AL9A
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Fabi va2up"<va2up at live.ca>
> >> To: "rtty contesting rttycontesting"<rtty at contesting.com>
> >> Sent: October 12, 2011 4:50 PM
> >> Subject: [RTTY] I have a question
> >>
> >>
> >>> Hi everybody,
> >>> I have a question that I'm sure will find answers amongst this 
> >>> knoledgeble crowd.
> >>> I thought had this figured out but now I wonder: In log checking 
> >>> procedures, if one station has the correct information logged but 
> >>> the other one logs an erroneous exchange are both ops penalized? 
> >>> Also if the 'offending' station has logged a wrong or broken call 
> >>> are both stations penalized?
> >>> I guess it depends on the logging correction software used by 
> >>> different contest sponsors but if so wouldn't it be 
> better to state 
> >>> withing the contest rules what would result in an error 
> and what wouldn't?
> >>> I thank you for your replies in advance.
> >>>
> >>> 73,
> >>>
> >>> Fabi va2up
> >>> http://sites.google.com/site/va2upcontesting/
> >>>
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